Alaska Lense

dwarfcow wrote in post #10144662
Mossberg 500 with no fewer than 25 black magic 3" mag slugs and 25 OOO Buckshot alternating in the bandoleer/tube.

That's probably a hotshoe accessory in Alaska.

Shotguns for Bear defense,is a grandiose misnomer. Cops had to shoot one 17 times,here not long ago,before they got the wiggle knocked out of it(the ubiquitous slug/buckshot alternations). Slug penetration is modest,even wasp waisted hardened versions and buckshot is an even bigger joke...especially triple-ought.

Just keepin' it real............

Guess a .50 cal would weigh down the gear bag a bit.

Big Stick wrote in post #10144843
Shotguns for Bear defense,is a grandiose misnomer. Cops had to shoot one 17 times,here not long ago,before they got the wiggle knocked out of it(the ubiquitous slug/buckshot alternations). Slug penetration is modest,even wasp waisted hardened versions and buckshot is an even bigger joke...especially triple-ought.

Just keepin' it real............

Cops carry 9.. and .40 caliber guns, and their shotguns aren't loaded with slug typically, let alone 3" mag rounds with 1.5oz slugs. While you are right that the bear is by no means going to just stop in its tracks, the point of alternating between slugs and double or triple buck is to punch holes in the body, and push the bear back, or at least slow it down while you rack in another slug.

From experience, the bear will die; it can be a Kodiak brown, if you place your shots, and aren't carrying a gun designed for 2legged predators you will be much better off than not having a gun at all. The shotgun has a triple purpose, bears, angry moose, and crazy people. My preferred bear gun will always be a .338, but its not practical for the human problem. (a well placed 3" mag slug will shatter a bear's fore-arm any make the usual bounding toward you all but impossible; you never shoot a bear in the head, unless you are right under him and going through his jaw, in which case you are probably already dead)

and you generally don't stand still while shooting a bear, you are moving, and trying to get the bear to a point that it is disabled enough to not move as fast as you.

dwarfcow wrote in post #10144974
Cops carry 9.. and .40 caliber guns, and their shotguns aren't loaded with slug typically, let alone 3" mag rounds with 1.5oz slugs. While you are right that the bear is by no means going to just stop in its tracks, the point of alternating between slugs and double or triple buck is to punch holes in the body, and push the bear back, or at least slow it down while you rack in another slug.

From experience, the bear will die; it can be a Kodiak brown, if you place your shots, and aren't carrying a gun designed for 2legged predators you will be much better off than not having a gun at all. The shotgun has a triple purpose, bears, angry moose, and crazy people. My preferred bear gun will always be a .338, but its not practical for the human problem. (a well placed 3" mag slug will shatter a bear's fore-arm any make the usual bounding toward you all but impossible; you never shoot a bear in the head, unless you are right under him and going through his jaw, in which case you are probably already dead)

Can't you just do like in the movies and bring a friend that doesn't run as fast as you?

In actuality,50's are much overrated,due to projectile selection/performance(​their design scope not being soft tissues)...though the 750A-Max is a step in the right direction. 50's are grossly misunderstood by the masses,which is neither here nor there.

As an aside,when traipsing the squirreliest of Brown Bear Country which is Chichagof,Admiralty,Ko​diak and to a lesser extent Afognak in my book,I usually toted an HK91,M1A1,Garand,375H&​H,375H&H Ackley Improved or 378Wby...depending upon the circumstances at the time. That being said,the 338Ultra is my favorite boltgun chambering and X's crush all other projectiles.

In fairness,Polar Bears are the squirrliest of the lot,especially when you slip up on them napping............(gr​in)

Big Stick wrote in post #10144994

that is the look that you hope to be seeing from a vehicle that can go in excess of 50mph, or through the scope of a high powered rifle (preferably a .338 UM)

Tadaaa wrote in post #10144988
Can't you just do like in the movies and bring a friend that doesn't run as fast as you?

It's fine if they are faster than you, the joke goes, you carry a .22 pistol and running shoes.

dwarfcow wrote in post #10144974
Cops carry 9.. and .40 caliber guns, and their shotguns aren't loaded with slug typically, let alone 3" mag rounds with 1.5oz slugs. While you are right that the bear is by no means going to just stop in its tracks, the point of alternating between slugs and double or triple buck is to punch holes in the body, and push the bear back, or at least slow it down while you rack in another slug.

From experience, the bear will die; it can be a Kodiak brown, if you place your shots, and aren't carrying a gun designed for 2legged predators you will be much better off than not having a gun at all. The shotgun has a triple purpose, bears, angry moose, and crazy people. My preferred bear gun will always be a .338, but its not practical for the human problem. (a well placed 3" mag slug will shatter a bear's fore-arm any make the usual bounding toward you all but impossible; you never shoot a bear in the head, unless you are right under him and going through his jaw, in which case you are probably already dead)

and you generally don't stand still while shooting a bear, you are moving, and trying to get the bear to a point that it is disabled enough to not move as fast as you.

Cops carry and stoke,due to their AO. Scatterguns are great for stuff wearing feathers,but a series of heavy concessions when talking Big Game. Want a good giggle? Try to book a Brownie Hunt under the auspice of your wanting to punch the tag with slugs or buckshot(your choice). You'll have better luck booking an Archery foray,for obvious reason(s).

I've seen too many Bears,hit with too many things...running the gamut from 41 mag wheelguns,arrows,front​stuffers,scatterguns,l​everguns,bolt guns to self shuckers. All are not equal and nothing is as paltry as the scattergun.

Though if forced to hedge a dare or a bet,the Brenneke's dig deeper than all others,yet remain a joke in extrapolation.........​..

Big Stick wrote in post #10144994
In actuality,50's are much overrated,due to projectile selection/performance(​their design scope not being soft tissues)...though the 750A-Max is a step in the right direction. 50's are grossly misunderstood by the masses,which is neither here nor there.(grin)

I used them frequently in the army; pretty sure a bear would be no problem.

dwarfcow wrote in post #10145007
It's fine if they are faster than you, the joke goes, you carry a .22 pistol and running shoes.

First Rule Of The Jungle,is to pick a pard that can't outpace you.

Clint Smith sums it up best,when mentioning that a pistole is only for fighting your way to a rifle. I heartily concur and then some...though I've long collected pistoles and have toted most everything there is,if only as a lark.

Give me a 20" 375H&H Ackley Improved stoked with 270X's at 2850fps,in a McMillan handle and modest glass...............

Tadaaa wrote in post #10145018
I used them frequently in the army; pretty sure a bear would be no problem.

.50 calibur guns are designed to make a hole through things. tanks, walls, people etc. yes, your .50 will make a hole through a bear, but the problem you have with bears, is they are usually 50ft away or closer when you run into them, if they were any further, they would be the ones running away from you (exception of a hungry black bear).

so the problem you need to solve, is to make the bear STOP, and stop now, which a .50 will not do. you will have a bear with a moderate sized hole in it, that is still coming to kill you, weather or not it ends up alive after mauling you to death.

this is where hunting rifles have the advantage, they aren't SMJ rounds, and leave much larger exit wounds while pushing your target back. unless you have a mushrooming round or hallow point on your .50, and it is slowed way the heck down so that it actually works (sometimes high velocity doesn't play into your hands) you're going to have an even angrier bear that will not only maul you, but perhaps drown you in the ensuring blood as it pummels you from above.

Tadaaa wrote in post #10145018
I used them frequently in the army; pretty sure a bear would be no problem.

FMJ's whistle through,no different in .510" than any other diameter. Catch a bone and you are hedging a bet,but pedestrian paced FMJ's induce little terminal trauma upon soft tissue. In BMG there's no meplat arguement(which the levergun fanboy's favor in their realm),so it's straight up diameter in conjunction with bullet construction,as per always.

Would a Hvy Bbl MaDeuce stop a Bear? Sure...but it defines Pipe Dream in practicality. I'd rather have a 250 or 300gr Scenar from an Ultra,which will travel at like speeds(and best many 50 FMJ BC's,to retain more impact velocity downrange),if talking LR affairs. Up close and personal,I've see nothig that'll hang with the 210XLC at 3400fps launch,it is simply sinister in it's terminal affects. That combo retired all my 375's,which I thought I TRULY loved.

Bears can take a lick............

From earlier in the week. Pard wanted a Book Bear,so I put him on one. FN SPR A1,Badger 20MOA rail,Badger standards,Badger knob,Leupie 3.5-10x M3 LR,155 Scenar's at 2900fps initial launch.

Pic isn't too shabby,but I got a scald on the video,if I say so myself...........

Since you guys are posting pics I'll add mine. Nothing to compare to an Alaskan bear, but I was happy with him for Virginia. Took him last October with compound bow and slick trick.