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ElinStein: A Happy Hybrid?

 
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May 17, 2010 17:22 |  #1

To repeat what I had mentioned in an earlier thread, a large part of my rationale for buying into Paul Buff's Einstein system was the expectation that I would be able to leverage my investment in Elinchrom modifers through the use of Jerry Kacey's AB/Elinchrom adapter. Today, I received Jerry's WL adapter ring in the mail (I already had the Elinchrom part) and I've done a few preliminary tests.

To mount Elinchrom accessories on an Einstein, you need two components: First is the WL adapter which is a 6-1/2 inch diameter flat metal disk with four holes drilled near the periphery and an Alien Bee/White Lightning/Balcar mount in the center. The second required component is the Elinchrom adapter which screws onto the front of the WL adapter.

Fully assembled and in place, the WL/Elinchrom adapter looks like this:

IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4615701365_2b25c82e9a_o.jpg

Elinchrom accessories can now be mounted on the front while the adapter assembly itself is held in place on the Einstein by means of the Balcar mount on the back.

The good news is that this system works and is strong enough to support my largest Rotalux which is the 69" octa:

IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3339/4615700883_a04be457b2_o.jpg


The down side of hybridizing mounting systems this way is the unavoidable necessity of introducing an additional adapter onto the front of the light. This will, of course, result in the flashtube being moved further back from the attached modifier than might be ideal. In the case of the ElinStein, the plane of the flashtube winds up within the throat of the Rotalux adapter ring:

IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4615701087_5a3d97eb02_o.jpg

With the Pyrex dome removed, the actual position of the tube is more readily apparent:

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Whether the slightly recessed postion of the flashtube restricts light dispersion within the attached modifier remains to be seen. In any case, the Pyrex dome should help ameliorate any dispersion issues.

The Kacey WL adapter really comes into its own when mated with a beauty dish. I do not own Jerry's dish but I do, of course, have the Speedotron BD which I modded for use with Elinchrom lights. This afternoon I replaced the Elinchrom insert on the back of my dish with the Kacey adapter. The combination of the Kacey adapter and Speedotron dish mounted perfectly on the Einstein. With the central deflector removed to improve visibility:

IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/4616703904_d2339ef6a5_o.jpg

With the Kacey adapter, the Einstein's flashtube is positioned fully inside the BD:

IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4616088829_a191befe4a_o.jpg

The mount could not be any lower profile:

IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3393/4616703998_663de08335_o.jpg

Clearly, the Speedo BD and Kacey adapter are a match made in heaven. No issues there whatsoever. The ElinStein hybrid is a bit tougher call. The physical integration of the two systems obviously works well. Whether the recessing of the flashtube represents a real world issue I cannot say. I suspect not but have no first hand experience. However, judging from the very positive comments of those Alien Bee users who have used the Kacey adapters to mount Elinchrom accessories on their lights, it's highly likely that the pairing works very well indeed.

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May 17, 2010 17:24 |  #2

Nice work! Looks like a solid mod!


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May 17, 2010 17:26 |  #3

The Einstein hybrid does not look like a great match. The flash tube is buried inside the throat of the mount.


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May 17, 2010 17:30 |  #4

ZSutton wrote in post #10198140 (external link)
Nice work! Looks like a solid mod!

With Jerry's adapter, it's not much of a mod. His White Lightning/AB ring comes pre-drilled with holes that match up with the holes on the Speedotron dish. If you can remove and replace the four small screws holding the Speedotron mount to the back of the dish, you're golden.

But thank you :)

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May 17, 2010 17:31 |  #5

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The Einstein hybrid does not look like a great match. The flash tube is buried inside the throat of the mount.

Agreed :(

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May 17, 2010 18:10 |  #6

Wouldn't the Einstein/Elinchrom hybrid create a nasty hot spot concentrated right on the center?




  
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May 17, 2010 18:50 as a reply to  @ Seanzky's post |  #7

TMR Design wrote in post #10198152 (external link)
The Einstein hybrid does not look like a great match. The flash tube is buried inside the throat of the mount.

My thoughts exactly.

You could always get rid of the claws and weld an elinchrom mount on to the faceplate of the einstein? But after all that effort/cost you could get a BXRi?


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May 17, 2010 19:02 as a reply to  @ ed.'s post |  #8
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Since the protective pyrex dome is frosted, I would imagine that the apparent burst of light is advanced forward slightly. I'm still waiting for my number to be called, so I have no idea yet what effect the frosted dome has versus a bare tube. It would be interesting to see a comparison between the light dispersion from an RX600 compared to an E640 with the octa.

Depending on how much space is taken up by the Kacey WL adapter plate, it looks like a single Eli-AB adapter would be a better solution. The tube/dome assembly would certainly be advanced further into any Eli/Rotalux modifiers.


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May 17, 2010 19:50 |  #9

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Wouldn't the Einstein/Elinchrom hybrid create a nasty hot spot concentrated right on the center?

Not necessarily, Sean. It might be an exceptionally polite hotspot.

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May 17, 2010 19:52 |  #10

tetrode wrote in post #10199034 (external link)
Not necessarily, Sean. It might be an exceptionally polite hotspot.

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You think PCB taught it some manners? :p




  
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May 17, 2010 19:52 |  #11

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... It would be interesting to see a comparison between the light dispersion from an RX600 compared to an E640 with the octa...

Indeed it would. That's on the agenda for tomorrow.

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May 17, 2010 19:54 |  #12

tetrode wrote in post #10199034 (external link)
Not necessarily, Sean. It might be an exceptionally polite hotspot.

Dave F.

Well if it's polite I have no problems there. :lol:


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May 17, 2010 20:33 as a reply to  @ ed.'s post |  #13

:lol::lol:All these predictions and assumptions without a single frame fired :lol::lol:
Cheers to Dave for taking his time to do this.


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May 17, 2010 20:46 |  #14

tetrode wrote in post #10199050 (external link)
Indeed it would. That's on the agenda for tomorrow.

Are you planning on measuring the even-ness across the surface w/ a lightmeter or shooting photos of the surface w/ the lens stopped down until you see a pattern?
Thanks for the detailed pics :)


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May 17, 2010 21:04 |  #15

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Are you planning on measuring the even-ness across the surface w/ a lightmeter or shooting photos of the surface w/ the lens stopped down until you see a pattern?
...

Is this a trick question?

If I feel sufficiently motivated, I'll do both.

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