ElinStein: A Happy Hybrid?

So any shots/results from this setup yet?

I stayed away from this thread for a while because others have misunderstood our (and by our, I mean us Elinchrom users) comments. Lol. The last thing we would do to someone who does a lot here on POTN, specifically the lighting forum, is to bash him or ridicule him for his choice to get Einsteins. That's not it. And besides if others here bust his chops about it, what's the big deal? It's not like we know their relationship with Dave. What if it's all good after all has been said and done?

But anyway, I like the fact Dave is a pioneer when it comes to tinkering and exploring things. The comment above about the hot spot, I think, might be directed towards me. To answer that, all I did was ask if it would create a nasty hot spot down the middle because light is funneled by the recessed flash tube. Think super short snoot or a speedlight head. And by "nasty hot spot" I meant a strong hot spot... not that it will be nasty like a pile of dung, and undesirable or as Dave responded (tongue in cheek) as if I implied a "rude" hot spot. I guess next time I shouldn't speculate like that. Everyone was asking for sample pictures, I made a little guess, others scratched their heads out loud with Dave's decision and then came the thread police to round up all the "bad guys". Lol. Relax fellas. We're not here to hurt anyone.

seanzky wrote in post #10239682
I stayed away from this thread for a while because others have misunderstood our (and by our, I mean us Elinchrom users) comments. Lol. The last thing we would do to someone who does a lot here on POTN, specifically the lighting forum, is to bash him or ridicule him for his choice to get Einsteins. That's not it. And besides if others here bust his chops about it, what's the big deal? It's not like we know their relationship with Dave. What if it's all good after all has been said and done?

But anyway, I like the fact Dave is a pioneer when it comes to tinkering and exploring things. The comment above about the hot spot, I think, might be directed towards me. To answer that, all I did was ask if it would create a nasty hot spot down the middle because light is funneled by the recessed flash tube. Think super short snoot or a speedlight head. And by "nasty hot spot" I meant a strong hot spot... not that it will be nasty like a pile of dung, and undesirable or as Dave responded (tongue in cheek) as if I implied a "rude" hot spot. I guess next time I shouldn't speculate like that. Everyone was asking for sample pictures, I made a little guess, others scratched their heads out loud with Dave's decision and then came the thread police to round up all the "bad guys". Lol. Relax fellas. We're not here to hurt anyone.

agreed 100%. To be honest, I don't really see anyone faulting him a whole lot. I posted that I was confused as to why he'd do all this, given he already owned 600RX's, but that's only because I've PMed with Dave, and have participated in many threads with him....so I'm confident he doesn't think I'm bashing him any way. I also commended and thanked Kacey for his good/hard work.

I must say, it really seems that my whole theory about PCB loyalists being overly sensitive to any critique only seems to ring true again. No one was nasty, there was no "complaining", and no one told Dave that he's a fool (Alejandro joked a bit, but nothing serious). Just because this involves an einstein and someone questioned the need for an einstein, doesn't mean anything. It's all because he already owned pro-caliber lights that work natively with the modifiers that he was using. Calm down people!

Cathpah wrote in post #10239748
agreed 100%. To be honest, I don't really see anyone faulting him a whole lot. I posted that I was confused as to why he'd do all this, given he already owned 600RX's, but that's only because I've PMed with Dave, and have participated in many threads with him....so I'm confident he doesn't think I'm bashing him any way. I also commended and thanked Kacey for his good/hard work.

I must say, it really seems that my whole theory about PCB loyalists being overly sensitive to any critique only seems to ring true again. No one was nasty, there was no "complaining", and no one told Dave that he's a fool (Alejandro joked a bit, but nothing serious). Just because this involves an einstein and someone questioned the need for an einstein, doesn't mean anything. It's all because he already owned pro-caliber lights that work natively with the modifiers that he was using. Calm down people!

Agreed.

Sorry for the delay, folks, but I've finally gotten around to doing some controlled comparison testing of the 69" octa driven by an Elinchrom 600RX and by the Einstein with Kacey adapter.

I'll offer my conclusions and observations first:

There is a definite hotspot on the face of the Rotalux with both the Elinchrom and with the Buff lights. It isn't obvious in either case and, to my surprise, subjectively seems no worse with the Einstein behind the Kacey adapters than with the 600RX. Remember that the Einstein with the Kacey adapters (plural: WL/AB ring + Elinchrom adapter) winds up with its flashtube recessed inside the Octa's Elinchrom mounting ring:

tetrode wrote in post #10239924
The only real disappointment for me is that the flash with the greater available stored energy (the Einstein) turned out to be significantly less efficient at turning that energy into usable light.

Geez Dave, you should have posted a warning before this to tell us all to go get in the bunker

mickeyjuice wrote in post #10239953
Geez Dave, you should have posted a warning before this to tell us all to go get in the bunker

With the turn this thread has taken, the dogs and I are already in the bunker, Mic. Sorry, no room for anyone else.

Dave F.

Could it be the "less efficient" usable light result is caused by the recessed flash tube of the WL/AB ring + Elinchrom adapter combo?

HeadShotz wrote in post #10239986
Could it be the "less efficient" usable light result is caused by the recessed flash tube of the WL/AB ring + Elinchrom adapter combo?

It's almost a full f/stop down compared to the Elinchrom at dead center so I don't think the flashtube being recessed is the culprit. However, not having a reflector behind the tube must have some effect. I'm sufficiently curious that I'm going to do some quick comparison testing of the two lights with the Elinchrom 8-1/4" reflector mounted on each and with the 8-1/2" Buff reflector on the Einstein.

Dave F.

tetrode wrote in post #10239968
With the turn this thread has taken, the dogs and I are already in the bunker, Mic. Sorry, no room for anyone else.

Fair call. I'll just stay down here in Australia then, and hope it doesn't get too bad...

mickeyjuice wrote in post #10240072
Fair call. I'll just stay down here in Australia then, and hope it doesn't get too bad...

Not to be morbid but have you ever read "On the Beach"?

Dave F.

tetrode wrote in post #10240083
Not to be morbid but have you ever read "On the Beach"?

Nevil Shute. It's like you're reading my mind, man!

Let's hope we don't get to that level of fallout - that the PCB fanatics can take this for what it is.

[EDIT} Here's a link for anyone who is interested in late-50s post-nuclear-holocaust fiction: http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/On_the_Beach_%2​8novel%29

tetrode wrote in post #10240062
It's almost a full f/stop down compared to the Elinchrom at dead center so I don't think the flashtube being recessed is the culprit. However, not having a reflector behind the tube must have some effect.

It most certainly would be causing what your seeing. If you get a chance... put some foil behind the tube or something on the Einstein and re-test.

tetrode wrote in post #10239924
The only real disappointment for me is that the flash with the greater available stored energy (the Einstein) turned out to be significantly less efficient at turning that energy into usable light.

Effective Watt-seconds, my arse!

(For those who can't take a joke - flame away! ).

Dave, awesome job as always! I love that bunker bit with Mic. Haha.

Interestingly enough, Rob and I conducted a few tests and found some interesting results, too. Only we did the tests with the BXRi 500 and 600 RX side by side. We also did a Vagabond II and Tronix test, but I'll let Rob disclose all the details with those. I'm afraid my memory isn't all that good and I might remember some details wrong.

All I can say is that from the tests we did, I really want to own the RX 600 instead of another pair of BXRi 500. I know the price difference is a lot, but I also know now why. (Hint: It has nothing to do with the 100ws whatsoever. None.)

Oh, and I noticed a pattern/trend with the way Elinchrom makes their different strobe models. Very interesting and very reassuring for Elinchrom users. Hehe. Elinchrom really separates their models and the extra you pay for a higher model are really all there.