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May 21, 2010 13:08 |  #46

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Tony the problem with this particular thread is the OP was asking why shoot raw when he never intended to shoot raw. Folks stated the reason why they shoot raw and then it was followed by the reasons the OP can't shoot raw. If ya can't shoot raw, why the question.

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Ah now youre wrong there! I WAS unable to shoot RAW and previously never intended to but now I CAN shoot RAW and I'm going to try it!!


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May 21, 2010 14:16 |  #47

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Ah now youre wrong there! I WAS unable to shoot RAW and previously never intended to but now I CAN shoot RAW and I'm going to try it!!

OK, then if you want to do this and you are memory-card challenged, I would suggest you approach things in a careful, planned-out way -- in other words, rather than go out and "take a whole bunch of pictures" like one would with small jpegs or big memory cards, try taking the time to take pictures that would not just be "good pictures", but would also illustrate the benefits of shooting Raw.

For many or most of your shots you don't need or want to shoot Raw+jpeg because you don't want to max out your card space. You can see a lot if you use DPP, set your camera to what would produce a pleasing jpeg (White Balance, Picture Style (playing with the Contrast, Saturation and Sharpening settings) and Noise Reduction. Then, in DPP, when you load the picture, DPP will by default use all those settings to render your Raw preview and to "pre-set" your DPP settings for all the above. But, instead of those things being "fixed" like they are with jpegs, with Raw they are just pre-set with total freedom to change as you wish, and DPP gives you a Raw development tab that is not available with a jpeg or a tiff. So, right there you have things that can be freely changed with Raw in its own "space".

Now, for this learning period, I'd suggest there are three scenarios where it could be beneficial to shoot Raw+jpeg (or to do a quick conversion of a Raw shot with the default settings to produce a jpeg, either one will work) -- you may want to see for yourself how the latitude of Raw compares to the latitude of jpegs with 1)White Balance/Color Tone adjustments, 2) Highlight and Shadow recovery and adjustments and 3) "Rescuing" under- and overexposed images. These are three areas that Raw has a pretty defined advantage in, and you may want to test this out for yourself before going too far down this path (and commiting more resources). Take test shots for each that test the bounds -- for instance, take an indoor shot that is lit by tungsten lighting but with your camera set to Daylight White Balance -- not as uncommon of a mistake as you might think -- and then compare how a jpeg can be adjusted compared to how a Raw can be adjusted (much more latitude with the Raw).

Take shots in bright sunlight with shadows that you want detail to show while not blowing the highlights and compare how easy it is to lighten up the shadows but also recover highlight detail between the two formats. Note that "clipping" occurs earlier with jpegs -- they discard image data that doesn't "fit", whereas Raw keeps the original data. So, pay attention to end results between a jpeg and a Raw. It may be more dramatic with some scenes, less than dramatic in others.

Then, take some under- and overexposed shots and see how the jpeg handles "rescuing" these compared to a Raw file.

Taking your time to test these things out, as well as your "regular" photography will help you to grow in your understanding and appreciation of this area.


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May 21, 2010 14:38 |  #48

You know, back in the old days people shot RAW and could only get 24 or 36 shots on a card ;)


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May 21, 2010 14:52 |  #49

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I understand, that certainly became clear -- I was just trying to put some perspective on the "these threads are useless" idea. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone somewhere got inspired by this thread, if only from seeing that great "rescue" example, to give Raw a try (new memory cards be damned!:))!

Some of those threads convinced me to give it a try and now I am using RAW most of the time. I still can (and have) gotten nice images with jpeg -- and I don't care what anyone says, you can do light editing on jpegs -- but ultimately, RAW is just more versatile. The key for me was getting used to using DPP because I was so comfortable with my jpeg editing program. :)


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May 21, 2010 15:37 as a reply to  @ tonylong's post |  #50

Thanks Tonylong. I will give that a go, shooting indoors under tungsten lights (what about energy savers? A case of using the Custom WB?)
I will take 4 shots:
1 with WB set to Auto-RAW
2 with WB set to daylight-RAW
3 with WB set to Auto-JPG
4 with WB set to daylight-JPG
Currently with PSE 1 if the WB is off I use the Color Cast facility and it sometime works OK.
Will see what DPP comes up with (I feel a long session on the laptop coming on!)


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May 21, 2010 15:58 |  #51

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Some of those threads convinced me to give it a try and now I am using RAW most of the time. I still can (and have) gotten nice images with jpeg -- and I don't care what anyone says, you can do light editing on jpegs -- but ultimately, RAW is just more versatile. The key for me was getting used to using DPP because I was so comfortable with my jpeg editing program. :)

No argument there -- I shot with P&S and other digicams for several years before getting my first DSLR, jpeg only, and I've had shots I'm very happy with. In fact, I just recently got prompted to go into my archives and dig out some "Early Digital Years" photos, and I just played with them in Lightroom and spit them out. I did, though, have to have in-mind the limitations and not try to overdo things like highlight recover or go to far in color correction or whatnot.

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Thanks Tonylong. I will give that a go, shooting indoors under tungsten lights (what about energy savers? A case of using the Custom WB?)
I will take 4 shots:
1 with WB set to Auto-RAW
2 with WB set to daylight-RAW
3 with WB set to Auto-JPG
4 with WB set to daylight-JPG
Currently with PSE 1 if the WB is off I use the Color Cast facility and it sometime works OK.
Will see what DPP comes up with (I feel a long session on the laptop coming on!)

That sounds like a fun and instructional project! You will find you can adjust the jpegs withing a certain range, but then it becomes a real headache, probably like you've found in the Color Cast tool. With Raw it's as easy as clicking an eyedropper on a should-be-neutral white or gray surface and Bang! You can go from daylight to shadow to tungsten to flourescent and it just plays along!


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May 21, 2010 15:59 as a reply to  @ Tendy's post |  #52

Err I could use some help here! I took the shots and opened DPP, and after what seemed like forever the thumbs came up. I selected the firsr RAW file and then got stuck-where do I start? This is what I see:
(BTW the background is a white shirt, came out pinkish under tungsten and WB set to Auto)

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May 21, 2010 16:10 as a reply to  @ Tendy's post |  #53

Forget that last post i found it, and heres my first ever RAW conversion,pretty basic but I'm like impressed!!

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May 21, 2010 16:19 |  #54

You don't need to shoot raw, sounds like you are content with what you are doing now, why complicate things?


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May 21, 2010 16:32 |  #55

Good to see you upp and running with DPP! Have at it! There is a very active Raw shooting community here, a lot of whom use DPP, so if you haven't already check out the Raw, Post Processing and Printing section:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/forumdis​play.php?f=18

And, if you haven't seen it, check out our RAW Conversion Thread, where a bunch of folks have contributed examples using various Raw processors to show what can be done to make your Raw images "all that they can be".

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You don't need to shoot raw, sounds like you are content with what you are doing now, why complicate things?

You must have missed the last few posts where the OP has stated the intention to begin shooting Raw and in fact has begun:)!


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May 21, 2010 16:32 |  #56

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You don't need to shoot raw, sounds like you are content with what you are doing now, why complicate things?

See the pic in the above post!! Thats some diferecne with just a little tweaking!


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May 21, 2010 16:35 |  #57

tonylong wrote in post #10223319 (external link)
Good to see you upp and running with DPP! Have at it! There is a very active Raw shooting community here, a lot of whom use DPP, so if you haven't already check out the Raw, Post Processing and Printing section:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/forumdis​play.php?f=18

And, if you haven't seen it, check out our RAW Conversion Thread, where a bunch of folks have contributed examples using various Raw processors to show what can be done to make your Raw images "all that they can be".

Indeed its like going from VHS to Blu ray! And that was just a quick fire basic pic. I still have a ways to go yet and havent gone through the instructions but it seems you do the tweaks on WB, play with what is basically a channel mixer, and either save your file as jpeg or send to PS! Oh man its getting late now, need more time to play!!!


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May 21, 2010 16:38 |  #58

Heh! Another one bites the dust:)!


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May 25, 2010 12:11 |  #59

In the end you have made the best choice! Welcome to the fold.. :)
You may find that your new skills cause you to want to do more than post images to the web.. soon you could find yourself in the printer market! :)


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May 25, 2010 19:55 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #60

I shoot both RAW or JPG, depending on subject matter and other factors. I'm still experimenting. My DSLR is a non Canon brand and can save both at the same time. Since I don't have Canons DPP, I can use the other brand's software, which is just horrible, or Adobe camera raw. The CS4 bridge lets you open and process JPG files as if they were Raw files. The couple of times I tried it, I could do anything with a JPG that I can do with a RAW file.


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