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400 DO F4 or 500 F4 for bird shooting

 
vandenwauver
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May 20, 2010 18:41 |  #1

Hi,

I'm starting to expand my shooting in the area of birds and have been quite successful with my 300 F4 and a borrowed 300 F2.8. My bodies are 7D and 1DMKIV. I'm looking to make a next big investment in longer glass and narrowed down my search to the above 2. Are there any experienced bird shooters out there who can provide me with some guidance? I think long term I may want both but for now (and for the peace in my marriage) I will only buy one.

Mark




  
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May 20, 2010 19:11 |  #2

That depends on how you want to shoot. I like to go on walks through the bush in search of birds and like the 100-400L, because I can carry it all day long without problems (it also makes a great all-around wildlife lens). The 500 F4 gives you more reach but is not as easily carried, unless you are Hercules...
Good luck with your search, and let us know what you decide on.

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May 20, 2010 21:42 |  #3

500mm f4 IS. Reach, reach, reach unless you can't carry 500mm f4 and want lighter lens then 400mm f4 DO.


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May 20, 2010 23:39 |  #4

300 2.8 w/2x or 1.4 TC...




  
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May 21, 2010 07:18 as a reply to  @ garys1's post |  #5

bobbyz wrote in post #10218927 (external link)
500mm f4 IS. Reach, reach, reach unless you can't carry 500mm f4 and want lighter lens then 400mm f4 DO.

Yes, the 500 is twice the weight of the DO. And the 500 really isn't hand-holdable for most people, so you've got to add in the weight of a tripod and full gimbal head - making the whole package three times the weight. The DO is easy to use handheld.


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May 21, 2010 07:32 |  #6

bobbyz wrote in post #10218927 (external link)
500mm f4 IS. Reach, reach, reach unless you can't carry 500mm f4 and want lighter lens then 400mm f4 DO.

agree .
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May 21, 2010 07:43 |  #7

500 or bigger on the tripod, 400 F/5.6 hanging off a 2nd body for BIF.




  
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May 21, 2010 07:46 |  #8

Easiest question of the week. Buy the 500mm. Not only has it got more reach, but it has stellar IQ. On the other hand, I've seen a few hundred photos taken with the DO, and there's about 3 that I thought looked great. Every review I've read on the DO seems to agree. The 400mm 5.6 has better IQ than the DO. I think the DO stands for disappointing optics.

The 500mm is where you want to invest.




  
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May 21, 2010 17:21 |  #9

If you want pictures of small birds rather than larger species (in flight) then focal length is everything! The 500 f4 is a good compromise as it's IQ is excellent and you can carry it for a while, though not too far. It is suitable for BIF but only for a very limited time if hand held and even the best tripods/heads are a pain for BIF.
I like very detailed images of small birds so even my 600 can be a bit short at times!
The 500 f4 is is an excellent lens and not idiotically heavy plus has very good reach - try or hire one first.
My personal choice would be the 800 but I wouldn't be able to eat for a year if I bought it! And for you - I don't know what alimony settlements are like in your neck of the woods!


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May 25, 2010 20:21 |  #10

thanks for the advice. I decided to rent first. the 400 is coming tomorrow, will give you my impressions later in the week.

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