anyway to get DPP to export using other color profiles

hi guys
has anybody discovered a way, a hack or otherwise, to get canon DPP or lightroom to export the images into photoshop using a profile other than the basic ones on offer.

reason is typically i will convert in DPP in either srgb or argb, then once into photoshop i then convert it into my printspace profile for editing for print.
it just seems to make sense to try and cut the srgb or argb out of the loop as i do not work in those spaces as i always print.

This is what softproofing is for in photoshop. You edit a image that is viewed converted into the printer profile but not saved that way. You should look into softproofing if you haven't already.

Lightroom does have the "Print to file" function which would give you a file in using the printer profile (this is not in Export) but when you are using Photoshop I'd think that just using the Soft Proof routine with LRs "Edit in Photoshop" would be easier than "Print to file" and then manually opening it in PS.

pip boogaloo wrote in post #10254431
...then once into photoshop i then convert it into my printspace profile for editing for print.

Out of curiosity, what printspace profile do you have the image set to while editing?

I'd not recommend editing in an output profile... For one thing, R=G=B probably is not neutral.

DPP can save files in either sRGB, AdobeRGB, WideGamutRGB, AppleRGB or ColorMatchRGB. The first three make sense.

Out of curiosity, I gave it a try, and it seems that you could get DPP to output in your printers color space (no softproofing though):

Choose "File > Print with detailed settings". Gives you this dialog box:

tonylong wrote in post #10255034
Lightroom does have the "Print to file" function which would give you a file in using the printer profile (this is not in Export) but when you are using Photoshop I'd think that just using the Soft Proof routine with LRs "Edit in Photoshop" would be easier than "Print to file" and then manually opening it in PS.

Tony - You can export in any color space from the regular Export dialog without having to do it in the Print module. At the bottom of the color space drop-down menu there is the option 'Other' which opens a list of all the icc profiles in your OS's Color folder. This is one area where LR beats both DPP and ACR.

tzalman wrote in post #10255807
Tony - You can export in any color space from the regular Export dialog without having to do it in the Print module. At the bottom of the color space drop-down menu there is the option 'Other' which opens a list of all the icc profiles in your OS's Color folder. This is one area where LR beats both DPP and ACR.

Ah, I never noticed that, good to know, Elie! We just need LR to do softproofing!

tonylong wrote in post #10255891
Ah, I never noticed that, good to know, Elie! We just need LR to do softproofing!

Stick your head out of the window and shout. Maybe Adobe will hear you.

i have custom profiles for my printers olmec op800 and canon imageprograf wideformat.
obviously i never edit in adobe 98 or srgb, but the nature of the beast means i have to convert into them initially.
i do use the proof setup - but sometimes forget so typically i have an action that batch converts them all to my print space and then i do my colour editing in that space.
i always get perfect prints that screen match everytime with my method.
in light of what you have said rene - i am interested to know more about how you know that or have worked that out.
as i say i do use custom profiles in a calibrated system
regards

pip boogaloo wrote in post #10256315
i am interested to know more about how you know that or have worked that out.

I simply gave it a try
Open image in DPP, transfer to PS (AdobeRGB), convert to printers profile.
Same image, print from DPP to PDF, open pdf in PS, see that is has "genericRGB embedded, assign printer profile.
Compare: Pretty close match.
(But quite a crappy workflow IMO, since I don't like PS with PDFs. And the wrong profile gets assigned in this case (When doing the same with an image from PS, the resulting PDF gets the proper printer profile embedded...)

The good that came out of all of this is that I found the updated printer driver, so can now finally print from PSCS4

pip boogaloo wrote in post #10256315
obviously i never edit in adobe 98 or srgb, but the nature of the beast means i have to convert into them initially.
i do use the proof setup - but sometimes forget so typically i have an action that batch converts them all to my print space and then i do my colour editing in that space.

Wow.
At the moment you convert, you might loose (clip) colors.
The point of editing the softproof is to bring those in Gamut (or at least; get them pleasing in print)
If you convert, and colors get clipped, there's no way you will get that lost detail back. If you softproof, the detail isn't lost, so you will be able to get it back for instance by using a few adjustment layers.
Then, once you got the image how you want it, you convert to the printer space (if that's what you want).

pip boogaloo wrote in post #10256315
i always get perfect prints that screen match everytime with my method.

As do I when working in a softproofed AdobeGRB file

pip boogaloo wrote in post #10256315
i have custom profiles for my printers olmec op800 and canon imageprograf wideformat.
obviously i never edit in adobe 98 or srgb, but the nature of the beast means i have to convert into them initially.
i do use the proof setup - but sometimes forget so typically i have an action that batch converts them all to my print space and then i do my colour editing in that space.
i always get perfect prints that screen match everytime with my method.
in light of what you have said rene - i am interested to know more about how you know that or have worked that out.
as i say i do use custom profiles in a calibrated system
regards

Again, what you're doing works...but as rene says...if colors are lost they are gone for good. That's the reason softproofing is so nice. You can literally tweak the softproofed image to your liking and print as you see it on screen. If you convert, any out of gamut colors can not be recovered through editing thereafter.

so when you guys do your editing in say ARGB with proofing (what i do on occasion, but not so often due to the speed and ease of my batch action)
i take it you do your tweaks in argb, bring the oog colours back into gamut if any, and just print perceptually intent from argb to the print space, once you are happy with your proofing...

pip boogaloo wrote in post #10261491
so when you guys do your editing in say ARGB with proofing (what i do on occasion, but not so often due to the speed and ease of my batch action)
i take it you do your tweaks in argb, bring the oog colours back into gamut if any, and just print perceptually intent from argb to the print space, once you are happy with your proofing...

More or less, I may use relative colorimetric or perceptual for my proofing and printing depending on which better displays the image.

i always use Qimage for printing and never photoshop, it is simply superior for what i do, batch print runs etc
i take it doing it your way would just entail "saving as" with the required adjustments done...

Yep. If you want to print from Qimage.

I usually group the adjustment layers, and name the group for the paper used. Then save as a .psd since I print from PS.

In the color problems link from my sig there's a link to a vid on Luminous Landscape about softproofing. More or less how I work.

Some nice links here as well (need to become a member, but that's free): http://www.johnpaulcap​onigro.com …ue/technique.ph​p#printing