Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
POTN forums are closing 31.12.2023. Please see https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1530921 and other posts in that thread for details.
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Lenses 
Thread started 28 May 2010 (Friday) 22:53
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

When Will I Love IS?

 
mitchman
Senior Member
Avatar
254 posts
Joined Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Washington State
     
May 28, 2010 22:53 |  #1

I needed to shoot a commercial shot of a small piece of plumbing in our studio. This was the first time I had shot with our new 70-200 f/2.8 IS II. First I shot hand held and even though the shutter speed was 1/500th, the photo had motion blur. So then I put the camera on our tripod and took some more shots. No luck...still blurry. I couldn't figure out what was going on. But then it dawned on me....turn off the IS. Bingo. Clear photo.

So I know everyone says that IS is good. But is it only for handheld shots? Does it turn a shot that would normally be really blurry into one that's only a little bit blurry? Or can I some how actually get some sharp photos with it turned on?

I know that as I took more and more photos I would figure this out for myself, but I thought maybe someone would help with some advice. :)


5DM2, 70-200 f/2.8 IS II, 16-35 f/2.8, Really Right Stuff BH-55 LR, Gitzo GT3531
3 x 580EXII's, PocketWizard FlexTT5's, AC3 Zone Controller, Westcott Apollo softboxes www.focalpointmarketin​g.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
mike_d
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,690 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 1074
Joined Aug 2009
     
May 28, 2010 22:57 |  #2

Yes, most lenses need you turn off the IS when you use a tripod or it'll actually add blur. How much coffee do you drink? That 1/500' shot should have been pretty sharp. Were you running up against the minimum focusing distance or moving closer/farther from the subject with a narrow DOF?




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gjl711
Wait.. you can't unkill your own kill.
Avatar
57,744 posts
Likes: 4074
Joined Aug 2006
Location: Deep in the heart of Texas
     
May 28, 2010 23:11 |  #3

mike_d wrote in post #10264918 (external link)
Yes, most lenses need you turn off the IS when you use a tripod or it'll actually add blur.

That was for gen-1 and gen-2 IS, the IS in the 100-400 and 28-135. The later IS versions, the one in the 70-200s have tripod detection.


Not sure why, but call me JJ.
I used to hate math but then I realised decimals have a point.
.
::Flickr:: (external link)
::Gear::

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
crn3371
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
7,198 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Mar 2005
Location: SoCal, USA
     
May 28, 2010 23:13 |  #4

Wow, motion blur at 1/500 with that lens? Time to switch to decaf.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gjl711
Wait.. you can't unkill your own kill.
Avatar
57,744 posts
Likes: 4074
Joined Aug 2006
Location: Deep in the heart of Texas
     
May 28, 2010 23:19 |  #5

Motion blur at 1/500 is pretty bad. Figure an object moving at 60MPH will only move 2 inches at 1/500.


Not sure why, but call me JJ.
I used to hate math but then I realised decimals have a point.
.
::Flickr:: (external link)
::Gear::

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Dereksalem
Member
119 posts
Joined May 2010
     
May 28, 2010 23:37 |  #6

A few things...

The 70-200 f/2.8L ISs (both versions 1 and 2) have Tripod Detection...the IS would have automatically shut off. That eliminates the IS being the major source of blur in that shot.

Secondly...at 1/500 of a second there should be *NO* blur what so ever in your shots unless you are carrying a blender in your other hand and it's dicing tomatoes. At 200mm most people should be able to take a shot at 1/200 without noticeable blur.

Going to hazard a guess and say there's something wrong with the copy you got.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
jdizzle
Darth Noink
Avatar
69,419 posts
Likes: 65
Joined Aug 2006
Location: Harvesting Nano crystals
     
May 28, 2010 23:42 |  #7

That is odd. 1/500 is a decent SS to capture some plumbing work. If you weren't within the MFD then I could see that being a problem. If you're hands aren't steady then I blame the user. :) If it's new then you could have an issue with the IS motor or have a defective lens.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
jdizzle
Darth Noink
Avatar
69,419 posts
Likes: 65
Joined Aug 2006
Location: Harvesting Nano crystals
     
May 28, 2010 23:48 |  #8

I did a test with the IS when I first got the lens and it works like a charm.
https://photography-on-the.net …35&highlight=st​eady+hands




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
newworld666
Goldmember
Avatar
2,306 posts
Likes: 20
Joined Jan 2009
Location: on earth
     
May 29, 2010 00:38 as a reply to  @ jdizzle's post |  #9

over .. 135mm ...daytime, my standard speed is 1/800 :confused: .. it's almost the only way to nearly freeze, hands, feets, fingers, car lights, birds, dogs ..
70-300DOIS seemed to be working rather well, but I always got sharper pictures with an appropriate speed, rather tha a low speed and IS.. So since I sold it, I don't miss IS, even if now for candids in town I use a zuiko 500mm handheld fixed on 1/1000 F8 :D ... just iso are automatic.

:rolleyes: I never understood why people daytime, prefered low speed and low iso with IS than appropriate speed with appropriate ISO without IS.
On my side I gave up to use IS .. and sold my zooms too...
I dream that one day canon's body would reach nikon's capability to reach perfect noiseless high isos meanwhile I use noiseware.


Marc
5DMKII+1Dx 24L1.4II 85L1.2II 180L3.5 300F2.8nonIS TC2XII ..... Sigma14F2.8AFDG, Zuiko 500F/8 Reflex
http://myc-photos.eu (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
iadubber
Goldmember
1,453 posts
Likes: 21
Joined May 2009
Location: Dubuque, IA
     
May 29, 2010 07:38 |  #10

You should cut all ties with the lens and just send it to me.


Buyer/Seller Feedback
Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
mitchman
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
Avatar
254 posts
Joined Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Washington State
     
May 29, 2010 09:44 |  #11

Thanks for the comments guys. (no I'm not a coffee drinker) :)

Just to be clear:

1) I first tried shooting handheld w/IS - got motion blur
2) Then I used a tripod w/IS - got motion blur
3) Then with the camera still on the tripod, I turned off IS - sharp photo

The piece of plumbing was black plastic on a white background, shot in studio with studio lighting.

I'll confess....I'm not positive it was shot at 1/500th of a second. I shot this at work 1-month ago and I need to go back and check what shutter speed I was actually using.


5DM2, 70-200 f/2.8 IS II, 16-35 f/2.8, Really Right Stuff BH-55 LR, Gitzo GT3531
3 x 580EXII's, PocketWizard FlexTT5's, AC3 Zone Controller, Westcott Apollo softboxes www.focalpointmarketin​g.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Overread
Goldmember
Avatar
2,268 posts
Gallery: 12 photos
Likes: 94
Joined Mar 2010
     
May 29, 2010 09:53 |  #12

Dereksalem wrote in post #10265088 (external link)
A few things...

The 70-200 f/2.8L ISs (both versions 1 and 2) have Tripod Detection...the IS would have automatically shut off. That eliminates the IS being the major source of blur in that shot.

You sure? I've got blurry shots from tripod shooting from when I had the IS on. I suspect its a case that "tripod shooting" is a hairtriggor thing whereby if the IS detects no noticable motion it shuts off, but if it thinks it does it keeps going - it might also be that it needs a moment of running time in order to detect and then shut off (and then of course that will only be valid for that shot/burst of shots and as soon as you lift up off the shutter the process starts again).


Tools of the trade: Canon 400D, Canon 7D, Canon 70-200mm f2.8 IS L M2, Sigma 120-300mm f2.8 OS, Canon MPE 65mm f2.8 macro, Sigma 150mm f2.8 macro, Tamron 24-70mm f2.4, Sigma 70mm f2.8 macro, Sigma 8-16mm f4.5-5.6, Raynox DCR 250, loads of teleconverters and a flashy thingy too
My flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Amamba
Goldmember
Avatar
3,685 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 65
Joined Nov 2007
Location: SE MI
     
May 29, 2010 10:07 |  #13

Misbehaving IS ? It's supposed to help, not hurt. And it DOES help.


Ex-Canon shooter. Now Sony Nex.
Life Lessons: KISS. RTFM. Don't sweat the small stuff.
My Gear List (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TheBurningCrown
Goldmember
Avatar
4,882 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Oct 2008
     
May 29, 2010 10:09 |  #14

mitchman wrote in post #10266718 (external link)
The piece of plumbing was black plastic on a white background, shot in studio with studio lighting.

You do know that 1/500th is over the sync speed of your camera, right (Unless you're using those newfangled pocketwizard "jump the gate" TT5 triggers ;))?


-Dave
Gear List & Feedback
flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Shuko
Senior Member
377 posts
Joined May 2008
Location: Finland
     
May 29, 2010 10:31 |  #15

How do you press the button? First half way or straight away all the way? IS requires time to "spool up", pictures can be blurred if shutter opens when the IS is still moving the lens.


www.miikajarvinen.fi (external link)
Gear List

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

3,226 views & 0 likes for this thread, 16 members have posted to it.
When Will I Love IS?
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Lenses 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member was a spammer, and banned as such!
2182 guests, 133 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.