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Jun 10, 2010 11:13 |  #1

I have a epson R580 all in one photo printer running on PC. The pc, monitor and printer is calibrated with colormunki.
Color management is set to "photoshop manage color, Adobe RGB or SRGB (no difference), black point compersation enable.
When I print a photo? the printout is darker than the display picture.
I tested on epson 2200. also the print came out dark. Try all different settings and it is still dark.
Anyone have problem with epson prints? what are your setting.
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Jun 10, 2010 11:22 |  #2

I think you will find your monitor is to bright,

Dark prints monitor to bright and bright prints monitor to dark..;)


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Jun 10, 2010 11:31 |  #3

No. the monitor is not set to 100% brightness. I think its around 60% brightness ( dont remember extra). it is calibrated to ambient light and to the printer. So the printout should be close but its off by 1-2stops.
On a calibrated system? this should not happen. What did I just pay 300.00 for calibrating device for?
Note: Before I print? I have print preview enable. The print preview is darker than the image on photoshop (side by side comparison on same display).


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Jun 10, 2010 11:44 |  #4

I have the same issue with my R580 and now it prints faint horiz. lines about an inch apart.I 've tried
cleaning and alignment several times with no luck.I had to brighten every photo before printing and
now the line issue makes it useless for printing.


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Jun 10, 2010 12:44 |  #5

I had the same problem with my 2880. If you go to print settings where you select the paper, there are 2 tabs Basic and Advanced. If you go to advanced you can adjust the brightness for your prints. I have mine set between 20 and 25. Hope this helps...

PS: I also let printer to handle color calibration.




  
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Jun 10, 2010 13:27 |  #6

garys1 wrote in post #10338463 (external link)
I had the same problem with my 2880. If you go to print settings where you select the paper, there are 2 tabs Basic and Advanced. If you go to advanced you can adjust the brightness for your prints. I have mine set between 20 and 25. Hope this helps...

PS: I also let printer to handle color calibration.

I tried to use either management and it do not effect the brightness of the print. I will again try the printer brightness setting again. By doing adjusting brightness in printer that means I have to use printer color management. If I use photoshop color management? than i wont have this option.
Isn't it best to use photoshop to manage color and turn printer color management off.
If one are able to use photoshop to manage color than in printer advance setting enble brightness, you will be double managing color space.


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Jun 10, 2010 13:38 |  #7

I've had more problems when I select Photoshop to handle color management. Since switching to letting printer handle color management, I've had less problems. I don't calibrate my monitor using calibration tools, I use the actual print to calibrate. I also have to take into account that the monitor is going to be brighter than the actual print. I usually use a pic of the white balance test card (the one that has various colors in squares) to calibrate. I've had better success this way.




  
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Jun 10, 2010 13:42 |  #8

By the way, Epson's tech support sucks! There was a guy who was having problems trying to print on canvas on his 2880. He had several conversations with tech support and couldn't get it to work. I explained how I got it to work for me and he now has success even with cut sheet canvas. I had a problem when I switched from photo black to matte black and the paper options would not change. Epson's tech support could not resolve that problem.




  
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Jun 10, 2010 14:21 |  #9

yes. I have better luck with my R580 when I use printer to color management. it is brighter using the printer software.
But as for the 2200? it make no difference what color management i use, the print is darker. I used up 10 sheet of photo paper and get nowhere.


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Jun 10, 2010 14:50 |  #10

czynot wrote in post #10337911 (external link)
Color management is set to "photoshop manage color, Adobe RGB or SRGB (no difference)

The second part is the problem: You should choose your printer profile.
Then again: Most common cause for "too dark prints" is "too bright screen".

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Jun 11, 2010 08:19 |  #11

René Damkot wrote in post #10339139 (external link)
The second part is the problem: You should choose your printer profile.
Then again: Most common cause for "too dark prints" is "too bright screen".

Have a read in the link from my sig.

So I should choose 1) Photoshop manage color than 2) in printer setting "let printer manage color?

Looking at the picture above. Only difference i did was that I have "match print color, gamut warning and show paper white" checked.

I will to play with it tonight and post results.


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Jun 11, 2010 10:33 as a reply to  @ czynot's post |  #12

"So I should choose 1) Photoshop manage color than 2) in printer setting "let printer manage color"?

Yes. Even Epson admit that in their more advanced instructions, although I can imagine that they don't say this in the simplistic printing instructions packed with their printers.


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Jun 11, 2010 12:51 |  #13

My Dell LCD monitor is calibrated with ColorVision Spyder2. Using an Epson 1400 printer, I generally run a sample print that allows Photoshop to manage the colors. For some unknown reason, the colors don't quite match-up to what I see on the monitor. I run a second sample print and allow the printer to manage the colors; plus make minor adjustments and adjustment to brightness at +2. A final sample print made which is usually most acceptable. Then I make a batch run of prints.


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Jun 11, 2010 12:58 |  #14

Calibration is not the main issue with dark (or light) prints. Its the adjustment to the monitor luminance that is all important and not all calibration devices seem to help. A dark print is the classic sign of a monitor set too bright. Having to tweak settings in the printer driver is not a long term solution, it's trying to tell you something and you really should listen.


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Jun 11, 2010 15:16 |  #15

czynot wrote in post #10342970 (external link)
So I should choose 1) Photoshop manage color than 2) in printer setting "let printer manage color?

No. (If you mean "then" that is)

Set PS to manage color.
Below it, choose your correct printer profile (printer/paper/ink specific)
In the printer driver, switch color management OFF.

The resulting print should be very, very close to the softproof on screen.

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