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Jul 12, 2010 18:06 |  #6811

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This is in reply to Chet's/Chris' earlier posts in re: his father's comment. It's out of my usual boundaries for posts, so, if you're not interested, skip this. Act like I never said anything at all.

I'm writing this here instead of sending Chet a PM simply because it's something many of us deal with when it comes to our parents. I'm not saying that I'm the last word on the subject or that I'm an expert on this stuff; I'm not. But I, and many of you, seem to have similar experiences in life. I'll just share mine.

For many of us, "Dad" was the ultimate hero in our lives. For me, it was. He was Superman, Batman, Lone Ranger, Einstein, and the strongest man alive all rolled into one. I was that kid that would be on the playground and tell all the other kids that my dad was better than their dads, combined. Times infinity. And I meant it. I was, and am, a serious Dad fanboy.

Everything he did was amazing. The way he wrote, the way he fished, the way he let that Lucky Strike unfiltered just sort of hang off of his bottom lip. Whatever Dad did, it was incredible.

Grandpa was like that, too. Bigger than life. Seriously. Greek mythology level stuff, like Zeus had to ask permission from Grandpa before Big Z let loose with just one lightening bolt.

When Grandpa died, I was crushed, but there was still Dad, who took on some of the Grandpa mantle and carried on with his life as a superhero.

I still remember when I came home with a question from school, some inane Trig question that I wasn't getting and Dad said, and I quote, "I don't know." My stepmom, who's a math whiz, came to my rescue, but I was stunned.

Dad didn't know. I mean, He. Didn't. Know.

He was human. His armor wasn't impervious. He had a Kryptonite.

As I grew older, of course, I began to see Dad less as a God-like persona, but he always maintained that Superhero status.

I know that's not the way it is for everyone. Some people have rotten dads. Cruel, abusive, and/or distant or even non existent. I've always been amazed, however, with the amount of guys that I know that have rotten dads that still have that Superhero mentality with them.

This went on, well, forever, I guess. People who are smarter than me will be able to give the right psychological names for whatever this is, but, as a boy growing up, Dad is the epitome of "Man". He is that Golden Standard by which all other males are judged.

No, really. It's automatic. If I see someone smart, funny, strong, steady, I compare that person to Dad's impeccable levels of smartness, funniness, strong-ness, steadiness, aaaand they usually fell short. It's almost a given. You v. Dad, and Dad wins. Nothing personal, it's just that you cannot compare to Dad.

Yeah, I know, "Awww, Dan loves his Daddy." (or, "Ewww, the guy's flippin' obsessed") The problem with this is that all men are compared to Dad. All males.

Including myself.

And I could never measure up. How can a goofy guy like me measure up to Zeus? Superman? Incredible Hulk? I couldn't. I could never measure measure up to that IDEAL of Dadism.

He wasn't pleased with my career path. NOT pleased. He never understood my desire to be a pastor. Many of my decisions were anathema to him. I took risks that he KNEW were going to end in tears (and many did). I lived with the understanding that I never measured up to that Dad Standard.

This issue, really, is that Dad was never like Superman. Or Zeus. Or even Aquaman. He was a guy, working hard to keep the bills paid, raising two whacked out kids and trying to have some fun hobby on the side to keep himself sane. Just like me.

Dad, all in all, was a man. Like you, like me. He had good points, and bad points. Flaws, chinks, quirks, all that.

He. Wasn't. Perfect. No matter how hard I believed him to be.

He's been dead now for 5 years. I think back to all those years when I didn't want to interact with him because of all the things I wasn't.

Never realizing that, all the while, I was sacrificing all the things that I was.

I was his son. Yes, he never understood my course, but he did love me. I could've been a friend. I could've called more. I could've made more of an effort to visit.

The fact of the matter was, he, being just a guy like me, he had his opinions of me, just like any one else. I wish I had toned down that Dad Hero Worship gene in me earlier in my life, while he was still here.

I regret missing out on all the love and friendship because I was so busy worrying about "honor" and "respect", the latter being the least important things in life.

There, now you all know more about me than you ever wanted to know.

I'm not demeaning your pain, Chris. I KNOW it hurts. I don't know why your dad said those things, or if he meant to crush you or if he was just voicing an opinion. It's possible that your dad is very set in his ways when it comes to photography, which happens very often. I bet if I was a fisherman, Dad wouldn't like the way I was doing it if I did it differently than him.

Perhaps, if you cannot see eye to eye in regards to photography, shelve it. Just not going to happen. Find something else the two of you can connect over if you can. Treat him, respectfully, as a man. He may, or may not, do the same in return. That's the most you can do.

You know, this just must be how men are. I'm sure in his heart, like in mine he WANTS me to be more successful than he was/is. And maybe to him, photography is a JOB albeit one he loves. Probably why he never shared it with me.

When I turned 40 three years ago, he bought me my 1st DSLR, and a year later gave me his no longer used 20D. He did give me the 20D because he realized my passion for learning how to shoot a picture. Since than I have tried to "impress" him with my mad skills. But have only really ever gotten a "That's nice" if that. I do have to admit, I feel I do better with portrait then he does. He can shoot a static image to perfection and capture it's raw emotion.

As you have said WE hold our fathers on a pretty high pedestal. He knows I'm always there for him, and I am. But I'm still always trying to get the awe factor from him. I never thought he pushed any of his kids into any direction as kids. Neither of my parents did, so I was left without direction after H.S. I have yet to go to college as I'm still trying to find my true vocation.

Now as a dad, I hope to make my children better then I was. Hopefully I can find their talents early and nudge them gently into the right life path. I am much more worried to raise my son then I was ever afraid of raising my daughter. A man has to be someone, be the ROCK of his own life. I just hope to God I don't screw him up.

Today I honestly felt the LOVE we have here. I've been in the dumps for a bit because of his words. I appreciate every response, suggestion, thoughtful word and encouragement you have all shared.

I am tearfully thankful to you all!




  
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Jul 12, 2010 18:07 |  #6812

Permagrin wrote in post #10523099 (external link)
So I have one more question for you guys regarding fb then.
If you have a couple of people that have you blocked (so that you can't see their posts unless they post on your wall) would you remove them too, especially if you aren't close friends with them? I was wondering about this the other day.

You can do this? *shrugs; shakes head* I'm such a FB Newb.

puddlepirate44 wrote in post #10523530 (external link)
This is in reply to Chet's/Chris' earlier posts in re: his father's comment. It's out of my usual boundaries for posts, so, if you're not interested, skip this. Act like I never said anything at all.

I'm writing this here instead of sending Chet a PM simply because it's something many of us deal with when it comes to our parents. I'm not saying that I'm the last word on the subject or that I'm an expert on this stuff; I'm not. But I, and many of you, seem to have similar experiences in life. I'll just share mine.

For many of us, "Dad" was the ultimate hero in our lives. For me, it was. He was Superman, Batman, Lone Ranger, Einstein, and the strongest man alive all rolled into one. I was that kid that would be on the playground and tell all the other kids that my dad was better than their dads, combined. Times infinity. And I meant it. I was, and am, a serious Dad fanboy.

Everything he did was amazing. The way he wrote, the way he fished, the way he let that Lucky Strike unfiltered just sort of hang off of his bottom lip. Whatever Dad did, it was incredible.

Grandpa was like that, too. Bigger than life. Seriously. Greek mythology level stuff, like Zeus had to ask permission from Grandpa before Big Z let loose with just one lightening bolt.

When Grandpa died, I was crushed, but there was still Dad, who took on some of the Grandpa mantle and carried on with his life as a superhero.

I still remember when I came home with a question from school, some inane Trig question that I wasn't getting and Dad said, and I quote, "I don't know." My stepmom, who's a math whiz, came to my rescue, but I was stunned.

Dad didn't know. I mean, He. Didn't. Know.

He was human. His armor wasn't impervious. He had a Kryptonite.

As I grew older, of course, I began to see Dad less as a God-like persona, but he always maintained that Superhero status.

I know that's not the way it is for everyone. Some people have rotten dads. Cruel, abusive, and/or distant or even non existent. I've always been amazed, however, with the amount of guys that I know that have rotten dads that still have that Superhero mentality with them.

This went on, well, forever, I guess. People who are smarter than me will be able to give the right psychological names for whatever this is, but, as a boy growing up, Dad is the epitome of "Man". He is that Golden Standard by which all other males are judged.

No, really. It's automatic. If I see someone smart, funny, strong, steady, I compare that person to Dad's impeccable levels of smartness, funniness, strong-ness, steadiness, aaaand they usually fell short. It's almost a given. You v. Dad, and Dad wins. Nothing personal, it's just that you cannot compare to Dad.

Yeah, I know, "Awww, Dan loves his Daddy." (or, "Ewww, the guy's flippin' obsessed") The problem with this is that all men are compared to Dad. All males.

Including myself.

And I could never measure up. How can a goofy guy like me measure up to Zeus? Superman? Incredible Hulk? I couldn't. I could never measure measure up to that IDEAL of Dadism.

He wasn't pleased with my career path. NOT pleased. He never understood my desire to be a pastor. Many of my decisions were anathema to him. I took risks that he KNEW were going to end in tears (and many did). I lived with the understanding that I never measured up to that Dad Standard.

This issue, really, is that Dad was never like Superman. Or Zeus. Or even Aquaman. He was a guy, working hard to keep the bills paid, raising two whacked out kids and trying to have some fun hobby on the side to keep himself sane. Just like me.

Dad, all in all, was a man. Like you, like me. He had good points, and bad points. Flaws, chinks, quirks, all that.

He. Wasn't. Perfect. No matter how hard I believed him to be.

He's been dead now for 5 years. I think back to all those years when I didn't want to interact with him because of all the things I wasn't.

Never realizing that, all the while, I was sacrificing all the things that I was.

I was his son. Yes, he never understood my course, but he did love me. I could've been a friend. I could've called more. I could've made more of an effort to visit.

The fact of the matter was, he, being just a guy like me, he had his opinions of me, just like any one else. I wish I had toned down that Dad Hero Worship gene in me earlier in my life, while he was still here.

I regret missing out on all the love and friendship because I was so busy worrying about "honor" and "respect", the latter being the least important things in life.

There, now you all know more about me than you ever wanted to know.

I'm not demeaning your pain, Chris. I KNOW it hurts. I don't know why your dad said those things, or if he meant to crush you or if he was just voicing an opinion. It's possible that your dad is very set in his ways when it comes to photography, which happens very often. I bet if I was a fisherman, Dad wouldn't like the way I was doing it if I did it differently than him.

Perhaps, if you cannot see eye to eye in regards to photography, shelve it. Just not going to happen. Find something else the two of you can connect over if you can. Treat him, respectfully, as a man. He may, or may not, do the same in return. That's the most you can do.

No words for such great words, Dan.


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Jul 12, 2010 18:11 |  #6813

Becky N wrote in post #10523699 (external link)
You can do this? *shrugs; shakes head* I'm such a FB Newb.

yep, I didn't know why I wasn't able to see pages when others in my family were :lol: So I asked and Tif explained it to me.

You go to:
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then everything you don't want that list to see, you add over on the right.
Mostly I have businesses on a total block list so they can't see my pages (like mpix etc).


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Jul 12, 2010 18:11 |  #6814

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I am tearfully thankful to you all!

BTW, you suck at photography.


KIDDING!!


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Jul 12, 2010 18:14 as a reply to  @ post 10523664 |  #6815

puddlepirate44 wrote in post #10523530 (external link)
He never understood my desire to be a pastor.

In my own way of thinking and understanding, I do. That was a much better 'sermon' then I have ever heard in church. Great words, Dan.


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Jul 12, 2010 18:14 |  #6816

puddlepirate44 wrote in post #10523723 (external link)
BTW, you suck at photography.


I know understand this. :D For awhile I thought when dad said bad he meant bad as in good.




  
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Jul 12, 2010 18:15 as a reply to  @ post 10368248 |  #6817

My Dad was an Engineer / Architect and while I certainly admired his math skills and analytical mind, it was his playful side that really endeared him to me and I know I'm as I am today because of that.

He showed me that play (both physical and mental) is good...

The running joke with our family was that The Beckman's raised a kid who couldn't hold a job (nevermind the fact that I had a 20+ year career in TV.)

Proudest Moment for me: Taking my first Emmy down to Tucson to leave it with my Dad.
Unfortunately, my Mom didn't live to see me garner any awards. :(


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Jul 12, 2010 18:19 |  #6818

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The running joke with our family was that The Beckman's raised a kid who couldn't hold a job (nevermind the fact that I had a 20+ year career in TV.)

Proudest Moment for me: Taking my first Emmy down to Tucson to leave it with my Dad.
Unfortunately, my Mom didn't live to see me garner any awards. :(


Dude you're Jay Thomas? I loved you in cheers and Murphy Brown!




  
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Jul 12, 2010 18:21 |  #6819

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Dude you're Jay Thomas? I loved you in cheers and Murphy Brown!

I like him best as Eddie LeBec. :D
I never realized that we had such a high calibre celeb in our midst.


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Jul 12, 2010 18:31 |  #6820

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In my own way of thinking and understanding, I do. That was a much better 'sermon' then I have ever heard in church. Great words, Dan.

:o

I used to get into "trouble" for joking too much. I never really did "sermonizing" very well.


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Jul 12, 2010 18:32 as a reply to  @ puddlepirate44's post |  #6821

If I had 1K to throw around, I would SO do a 3 day tour photographing these animals

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Jul 12, 2010 18:35 as a reply to  @ post 10368248 |  #6822

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Found this wee fungus in my yard when I got home (100mm macro 58mm cap):
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Decided to Sammich a couple:
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Jul 12, 2010 18:37 as a reply to  @ Becky N's post |  #6823

Pea wraps up her short career as a War Machine.

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Jul 12, 2010 18:38 as a reply to  @ puddlepirate44's post |  #6824

Cool fungus, Beckus.


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Jul 12, 2010 18:40 |  #6825

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hahaha I was going to say that.

Yesterday I was with Chris & Dan at the rodeo and we were talking about how I have a hard time seeing over tall people when I'm sitting down. (I went to the back row and stood up the whole time) :lol: and I was thinking how lucky he was that he was so tall and able to shoot over a railing while sitting down in the first row...it sucks to be so short.

I know how you feel. :lol: Although at times being short is nice. Like when I fit under the shower head in the RV shower and hubby has to scrunch down to wash his hair.:lol:

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That's what gets me. My sister is an artist, she does oils. www.bethbojarski.com (external link) Some of the oddest stuff you'll see on paper, yet dad loves her vision. He's always gone hog wild over her as an artist. I'm in the middle, I mix photo with an artistic flare, something you'd think he's get a kick out of. He loves his artist daughter most out of his 5 kids, she even is becoming more of a Diva these days. It's harder for family to see here then her public.

She certainly has some different stuff.

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We are getting pelted with deluge of rain and 1" hailstones. Lots of leaves now down too.

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Kody unfriended me too and I had no clue.

HAHA I went to check and he unfriended me too! Sheesh, I never woulda known.:lol:

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #10523734 (external link)
My Dad was an Engineer / Architect and while I certainly admired his math skills and analytical mind, it was his playful side that really endeared him to me and I know I'm as I am today because of that.

He showed me that play (both physical and mental) is good...

The running joke with our family was that The Beckman's raised a kid who couldn't hold a job (nevermind the fact that I had a 20+ year career in TV.)

Proudest Moment for me: Taking my first Emmy down to Tucson to leave it with my Dad.
Unfortunately, my Mom didn't live to see me garner any awards. :(

My dad has been a carpenter/drywaller all his life. I love my dad to pieces. He has never pushed me to do anything I didn't want to do. He has always supported me in any decision. He does tell me of course when he thinks I'm making a stupid mistake. But if I choose to go ahead with it, he backs me up. He has always told me that all he wants for me is to be happy. Reason I quoted you was because of the comment about play. That is the one thing that I really learned from dad. You work hard and play harder. He is a big believer in having fun in life and to not take things to seriously.


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