Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Lenses 
Thread started 16 Jun 2010 (Wednesday) 08:41
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

So I think it comes down to the primes! Comments?

 
SchnellerGT
Senior Member
585 posts
Joined Apr 2007
Location: Washington, DC
     
Jun 16, 2010 08:41 |  #1

I have been agonizing for months over what lenses to buy for my 5DII.

I made the decision to sell my 70-200 F4L IS (sale still pending).

At this point, I am debating these two options in the end:

#1
5DII
17-40 F4L
24-105 F4L IS
Sigma 50 1.4
135 F2L

OR

#2
5DII
17-40 F4L
24-105 F4L IS
35 1.4L
85 1.8

Option #2 is about $250 more than #1.

I unfortunately cannot swing BOTH the 35L and 135L at this time.

I went back and once again analyzed various photo shoots over the years and noticed that while I was mostly using two EFS zooms (10-22 and 17-55), I often saw three "spikes" in the 35mm-equivalent focal length graphs. These being around 30mm, 50mm, and 90mm. Of these three spikes, I shot mostly around 50mm and then 30mm and finally 90mm, in that order. Remember, I did not have any actual primes and was using a combo of EFS lenses and just so happened to stop quite often on these three focal lengths in 35mm terms.

(See sample graph below.)

I came to realize that the 70-200 mostly sat in my bag and was often only used at the 200mm (320mm effective) range. Meaning, I should probably some day look into the EF 300 F4L IS, but this is not something I want to do at this time.

Once again, I am looking for a versatile, light-weight bag of 4 lenses that will allow me to do a lot of indoor and outdoor portraits, candids, group photos, etc.

Any comments?

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

Canon EOS 5D Mark II | Canon 24-70 2.8L II [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2][​FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2][F​ONT=Tahoma]| Canon 40mm Pancake | Canon EF 85 1.8 USM | Canon EF 135 F2L USM | Canon Speedlite 430 EX
Buyer Feedback for "SchnellerGT" (Fredmiranda) (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Invertalon
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,495 posts
Likes: 24
Joined Jun 2009
Location: Cleveland, OH
     
Jun 16, 2010 08:50 |  #2

Option #2 would be my vote.


-Steve
Facebook (external link)
Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Kento
Goldmember
Avatar
1,207 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Jul 2008
Location: Innsbruck, Austria
     
Jun 16, 2010 08:51 |  #3

And you shot all previous shoots with a full frame camera? This was a good idea.


My Tools
-Jesse
Unknown-Studio.com

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
SchnellerGT
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
585 posts
Joined Apr 2007
Location: Washington, DC
     
Jun 16, 2010 09:10 |  #4

Kento wrote in post #10371779 (external link)
And you shot all previous shoots with a full frame camera? This was a good idea.

No. My previous setup was 20D + EFS 10-22 + EFS 17-55.

But I can use software to analyze photos to determine all sorts of information. I can have the software find REAL focal lengths or 35mm equivalent focal lengths, etc.


Canon EOS 5D Mark II | Canon 24-70 2.8L II [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2][​FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2][F​ONT=Tahoma]| Canon 40mm Pancake | Canon EF 85 1.8 USM | Canon EF 135 F2L USM | Canon Speedlite 430 EX
Buyer Feedback for "SchnellerGT" (Fredmiranda) (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
egordon99
Cream of the Crop
10,247 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Feb 2008
Location: Philly 'burbs
     
Jun 16, 2010 09:10 |  #5

SchnellerGT wrote in post #10371728 (external link)
I have been agonizing for months over what lenses to buy for my 5DII.

That's an understatement.... :D

Just buy something already :lol:




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
SchnellerGT
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
585 posts
Joined Apr 2007
Location: Washington, DC
     
Jun 16, 2010 09:12 |  #6

egordon99 wrote in post #10371886 (external link)
That's an understatement.... :D

Just buy something already :lol:

Yeah, the 5DII Kit + 17-40L will be bought any day now.

The primes may come a few week down the road.


Canon EOS 5D Mark II | Canon 24-70 2.8L II [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2][​FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2][F​ONT=Tahoma]| Canon 40mm Pancake | Canon EF 85 1.8 USM | Canon EF 135 F2L USM | Canon Speedlite 430 EX
Buyer Feedback for "SchnellerGT" (Fredmiranda) (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
wimg
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,981 posts
Likes: 209
Joined Jan 2007
Location: Netherlands, EU
     
Jun 16, 2010 09:25 |  #7

SchnellerGT wrote in post #10371728 (external link)
I have been agonizing for months over what lenses to buy for my 5DII.

I made the decision to sell my 70-200 F4L IS (sale still pending).

At this point, I am debating these two options in the end:

#1
5DII
17-40 F4L
24-105 F4L IS
Sigma 50 1.4
135 F2L

OR

#2
5DII
17-40 F4L
24-105 F4L IS
35 1.4L
85 1.8

Option #2 is about $250 more than #1.

I unfortunately cannot swing BOTH the 35L and 135L at this time.

I went back and once again analyzed various photo shoots over the years and noticed that while I was mostly using two EFS zooms (10-22 and 17-55), I often saw three "spikes" in the 35mm-equivalent focal length graphs. These being around 30mm, 50mm, and 90mm. Of these three spikes, I shot mostly around 50mm and then 30mm and finally 90mm, in that order. Remember, I did not have any actual primes and was using a combo of EFS lenses and just so happened to stop quite often on these three focal lengths in 35mm terms.

(See sample graph below.)

I came to realize that the 70-200 mostly sat in my bag and was often only used at the 200mm (320mm effective) range. Meaning, I should probably some day look into the EF 300 F4L IS, but this is not something I want to do at this time.

Once again, I am looking for a versatile, light-weight bag of 4 lenses that will allow me to do a lot of indoor and outdoor portraits, candids, group photos, etc.

Any comments?

Based on your graph, I'd say you used the 10-22 mostly at 10 mm, 16 mm FF equivalent, as this graph adjusted for FF indeed indicates. That means the 17-40L is more than adequate, as from my experience the 17-40L gives better results on FF than the 10-22 on APS-C.

The next large range is 27-110, and again, that being FF equivalent, the 24-105 should cater for that range extremely well.

So far for the zooms.

Regarding your other requirements, 50, 30 and 90 mm, in that order, I would personally get lenses in that particular order too in your case.

However, personally I found with FF that my shooting habits changed going from APS-C to FF. To a degree that also follows from the quality of the glass used, but mostly because somehow different glass, FL and IQ-wise, may "feel" better than similar glass, AOV wise, on APS-C.

So, rather than suggest either option 1 or 2, I'd suggest another option, and maybe even two :D.

Option #3:
5D II
17-40L
24-105L
28 F/1.8
50 F/1.4 or Sigma 50 F/1.4
85 F/1.8

This would give you time to establish wheter you really like these lenses or not, before committing larger amounts of money to them. And this would cover all of your most used AoVs. You could even get the primes used, if you like, and not lose any money at all when selling them on later. BTW, those three primes form a great low light set-up too.

Option #4:
5D II
17-40L
24-70L
85 F/1.8
135L

Faster standard zoom, which with the 5D II still provides good low light possibilities, and DoF control, with additional 85 F/1.8 (or even 100 F/2 if you like) for portraiture, and the 135L for portraits and candids. Possibly get an extender for the 135L, to shoot at 189 mm F/2.8 without any visible loss of IQ.

The thing is that F/2.8 on FF gives you about the same DoF as a lens with the same AoV on APS-C at an aperture of approximately F/1.6, so you gain here anyway, and since the 5D II has great high iso, you don't loose there either.

Of course this is still not a very light setup as the 24-70L is rather heavy :D.

Anyway, just my 2c.

Kind regards, Wim


EOS R & EOS 5 (analog) with a gaggle of primes & 3 zooms, OM-D E-M1 Mk II & Pen-F with 10 primes, 6 zooms, 3 Metabones adapters/speedboosters​, and an accessory plague

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
SchnellerGT
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
585 posts
Joined Apr 2007
Location: Washington, DC
     
Jun 16, 2010 09:33 |  #8

Great reply, Wim!

Yeah, the 24-70 is not my cup of tea I am afraid. The weight being the biggest reason. I really want to like it otherwise.


Canon EOS 5D Mark II | Canon 24-70 2.8L II [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2][​FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2][F​ONT=Tahoma]| Canon 40mm Pancake | Canon EF 85 1.8 USM | Canon EF 135 F2L USM | Canon Speedlite 430 EX
Buyer Feedback for "SchnellerGT" (Fredmiranda) (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
george ­ m ­ w
Goldmember
Avatar
4,022 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Oct 2007
     
Jun 16, 2010 09:41 |  #9

.....that will allow me to do a lot of indoor and outdoor portraits,......

I couldn't do my portrait shooting without a longer lens like a 200. Maybe that's just me though.
Are you happy with the bokeh of the 24-105 wide open ? Some folks are...some are not.


regards, george w

"It's also obvious that people determined to solve user error with more expensive equipment will graduate to expensive user error."
Dave N.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Headshotzx
Goldmember
Avatar
4,488 posts
Likes: 141
Joined Dec 2007
Location: Singapore
     
Jun 16, 2010 09:41 |  #10

Whatever you get, with that budget you're going to be happy, so just pick ones that make sense for you.

17-40L has no replacements for primes.

24-105 or 24-70 can be replaced by a few primes. Namely the 24L, 35L, 50 1.4 Sigma, 85 1.8. Pick what works for you. Me thinks 35L + 85 1.8 would be good.

135L is great.

That brings you to 17-40L, 35L, 85 1.8, 135L

and that is personally the combo i would LOVE to have. But i'm stuck with the 50 1.4 Canon and 70-200 2.8L IS, both of which serve me very well, so like I said, ymmv, pick one that works!


Zexun | Flickr (external link) | YouTube (external link) |

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
MMX
Senior Member
Avatar
418 posts
Joined Jun 2009
Location: Dublin, Ireland
     
Jun 16, 2010 11:20 |  #11

When I look at the graph, I don´t think you need something more than 17-40 and 24-105. What exactly do you expect from the extra two lenses?
Btw what type of portraits do you shoot? Do you have enough time to "foot zoom"? Do you require small DOF?


Canon EOS 40D, Canon EF 28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS, Canon EF 50 f/1.4, Sigma 120-400 f/4.5-5.6 OS, Canon Speedlite 580EX II
Manfrotto 055 XPROB + Manfrotto 322RC2, Manfrotto 679B + Manfrotto 234

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
egordon99
Cream of the Crop
10,247 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Feb 2008
Location: Philly 'burbs
     
Jun 16, 2010 11:38 |  #12

MMX wrote in post #10372638 (external link)
When I look at the graph, I don´t think you need something more than 17-40 and 24-105. What exactly do you expect from the extra two lenses?
Btw what type of portraits do you shoot? Do you have enough time to "foot zoom"? Do you require small DOF?

Shallower DOF, good for traveling light, good for when you can't use additional lighting in dim places....Primes serve many purposes :)




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
egordon99
Cream of the Crop
10,247 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Feb 2008
Location: Philly 'burbs
     
Jun 16, 2010 11:39 |  #13

MMX wrote in post #10372638 (external link)
When I look at the graph, I don´t think you need something more than 17-40 and 24-105. What exactly do you expect from the extra two lenses?
Btw what type of portraits do you shoot? Do you have enough time to "foot zoom"? Do you require small DOF?

You own "Canon EF 28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS, Canon EF 50 f/1.4, Sigma 120-400 f/4.5-5.6 OS"

I don't think you need the 50mm f/1.4 ;)

Surely you have the 28-400mm range covered in your other two lenses.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
kenwood33
Goldmember
2,616 posts
Likes: 26
Joined Jul 2005
     
Jun 16, 2010 11:46 |  #14

what software did you use to extra the focal length info?


Gearlist

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
SchnellerGT
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
585 posts
Joined Apr 2007
Location: Washington, DC
     
Jun 16, 2010 13:20 |  #15

Exposure Plot: http://www.cpr.demon.n​l/prog_plotf.html (external link)

(Only works on JPEGs to my knowledge.)


Canon EOS 5D Mark II | Canon 24-70 2.8L II [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2][​FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2][F​ONT=Tahoma]| Canon 40mm Pancake | Canon EF 85 1.8 USM | Canon EF 135 F2L USM | Canon Speedlite 430 EX
Buyer Feedback for "SchnellerGT" (Fredmiranda) (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

2,822 views & 0 likes for this thread, 17 members have posted to it.
So I think it comes down to the primes! Comments?
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Lenses 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is zachary24
1434 guests, 109 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.