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Jun 24, 2010 02:53 |  #196

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How 'bout you leave it up to me what I care and don't care about? That'd be just peachy.

Anyways...I'm off to the Rockies for a week of camping then camping with some great friends on the west coast of the Island...toodles!

Heh! Now that's kinda silly -- you make all these posts about caring about this and that on the internet and then tell people not to comment:)?


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Jun 24, 2010 05:41 |  #197

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.....Anyways...I'm off to the Rockies for a week of camping then camping with some great friends on the west coast of the Island...toodles!

In that regard I'm a bit jealous. With those panorama landscapes you should have some great photo ops, beautiful scenery and peaceful environs. Hike safely ;).


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Jun 24, 2010 05:50 |  #198

sapearl wrote in post #10417815 (external link)
In that regard I'm a bit jealous. With those panorama landscapes you should have some great photo ops, beautiful scenery and peaceful environs. Hike safely ;).

Watch it, Stuart...next thing you know he'll be out to start a campers guild and out to show how us amateur campers don't match up and stuff:)!


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Jun 24, 2010 07:00 |  #199

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bw! (but substitute "Guild Worthy")


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Jun 24, 2010 07:10 |  #200

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Watch it, Stuart...next thing you know he'll be out to start a campers guild and out to show how us amateur campers don't match up and stuff:)!

I can always use a morning chuckle Tony :lol:.... thanks.


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Jun 24, 2010 07:38 |  #201

kucko for coco puffs!!! i knew something is not right


No I'm not a photographer, I just shoot with Canon DSLR with those lenses with red thingy...;)

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Jun 24, 2010 12:51 |  #202

UPDATE!

She did a baby shoot and it did not go well after the mom saw the pics, seems that poor editing was the problem so as a fix she gave the mom a link to http://www.picnik.com (external link) and a burnt copy of photo workshop that came with printshop.

I used to think she was a newb but she is a genius! I edit for hours and she gets the clients to do the work. That is a great idea!!


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Jun 24, 2010 12:58 |  #203

shayneyasinski wrote in post #10419750 (external link)
UPDATE!

She did a baby shoot and it did not go well after the mom saw the pics, seems that poor editing was the problem so as a fix she gave the mom a link to http://www.picnik.com (external link) and a burnt copy of photo workshop that came with printshop.

I used to think she was a newb but she is a genius! I edit for hours and she gets the clients to do the work. That is a great idea!!

See - what did we tell 'ya.... wonders never cease :D. At this point in time she may be deficient in some photographic skills, but quite resourceful and "creative" in the editing/business dept. Granted, I would not have approached things in this manner, but if the client was happy and grateful in the end, and got the work for free or next to nothing.....


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Jun 24, 2010 14:03 |  #204

shayneyasinski,
How do you know so much about this person? Its got be someone close to your circle of friends and family. What are you not telling us?.......or Is your town that small?




  
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Jun 24, 2010 14:11 |  #205

shayneyasinski wrote in post #10419750 (external link)
UPDATE!

She did a baby shoot and it did not go well after the mom saw the pics, seems that poor editing was the problem so as a fix she gave the mom a link to http://www.picnik.com (external link) and a burnt copy of photo workshop that came with printshop.

I used to think she was a newb but she is a genius! I edit for hours and she gets the clients to do the work. That is a great idea!!

If this is her M.O., then I predict that she will eventually be yet another perfect example of so-called photogs that don't get any work once word-of-mouth does its thing.


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Jun 24, 2010 14:30 |  #206

shayneyasinski wrote in post #10419750 (external link)
UPDATE!

She did a baby shoot and it did not go well after the mom saw the pics, seems that poor editing was the problem so as a fix she gave the mom a link to http://www.picnik.com (external link) and a burnt copy of photo workshop that came with printshop.

I used to think she was a newb but she is a genius! I edit for hours and she gets the clients to do the work. That is a great idea!!

Hmm, so you say her problem is in post processing and not in the actual photography, or that the photos were not done well and need a lot of pp, or what? If you want us involved in this soap opera, you have to give us fresh meat/details!


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Jun 24, 2010 14:54 |  #207

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Hmm, so you say her problem is in post processing and not in the actual photography, or that the photos were not done well and need a lot of pp, or what? If you want us involved in this soap opera, you have to give us fresh meat/details!

+1 on that..... and as we've been saying before, the marketplace will "shake" her out. I do agree with Kronie's comment though about it either being a small town or some other "circumstance." We are certainly not getting the whole story.


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Jun 24, 2010 16:49 |  #208

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shayneyasinski,
How do you know so much about this person? Its got be someone close to your circle of friends and family. What are you not telling us?.......or Is your town that small?

she lived in my city then moved, I am friends with her and many of the people in her circle as they too live here and get her messages on facebook or by email.

she is one of them people who is always starting a new business about every 6 months till they find somthing new and better..

My posts are often about what I see other people doing that I do not agree with like the one where the pro photographer was using an old silver xt and a kit lens with a bag of screw on lenses for wide, fish, and zoom.

This time I want to follow her as she goes on with her new business that to her was going to make big cash after she looked into a session with a local pro that was way over her budget and all she gleaned from the meeting with the local pro is "he has a big camera" and if she got one where the lenses came off as she says , could then let her into the world of big paying gigs.


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Jun 24, 2010 17:36 |  #209

With her attitude we can only hope she doesn't discover how much brain surgeons make. :lol:


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Jun 24, 2010 18:55 |  #210

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It would provide a point of reference and a way for the intellect to counter-balance the senses.

Right now there is no point of reference for technical standards so buyers and up-n-coming photographers can only rely on their own randomn likes and dislikes based on the senses in order to make decisions. A sense or sensibility cannot (and should not) be measured. However, a reliance on the senses is basically anarchy because each person has a unique and personal sensibility. Artists should understand better than anyone the importance of balance. A sense of aesthetics is personal and random, but a technical standard can be universal and rigidly measured. It's important to understand that mastery of technique requires intellect while taste only requires a sensibility. The senses must be balanced with the intellect in order to create great work and possibly even high art through a union between the two.

Those that do not have a mastery of technique can only rely on the anarchy of their own personal random likes/dislikes and senses. They will never have the balance necessary to create great work. Right now, there is no measurable technical standard enforced by photographers to counter the senses and that this why photography is not taken very seriously as an art or as a profession.

You're totally right that a guild or an academic approach will never stop 300 dollar craigs list shooters. But that's not the point at all. Low art must exist in order for high art to exist. Bad photography must exist for good photography to exist. There must be balance. The purpose behind the creation of guilds and academic approaches is to provide a balance to the low end by creating a high end. An intellectual standard is required to balance the randomness of the senses.

The problem with the idea of a guild is that it will turn political -- guaranteed. By that I mean that membership will be decided based on a person's personal connections rather than any skill they might demonstrate (or, at the very least, the importance of demonstrating such skill will be greatly diminished in the face of personal connections). If mere knowledge of technique is sufficient then you haven't the need for a guild at all, as graduation from a photography school or a university with a major or minor in photography would clearly be more than sufficient demonstration of said knowledge.

What you fail to account for is the fact that as with equipment, knowledge and technique are not sufficient for producing a good photograph worthy of being called "professional". What we would call a good photograph goes beyond that, and intrudes well into the realm of aesthetics -- precisely the domain which you claim you do not intend the guild you propose to judge.


And just as certifications do not really tell you whether or not the certification holder really understands anything (I've interviewed more than enough people to know this all too well), so too will membership in the guild you propose similarly not tell you anything about whether or not the guild member is capable of taking good photographs.


No, as nice an idea it might be in theory, I guarantee it will fail spectacularly in practice. I'd rather let the free market do its thing.


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