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May 03, 2011 21:00 |  #1696

I may have said this before, but the best thing one can do with regards to lighting in nightclubs and concerts is to learn the basics of intelligent lighting as well as learn how to count beats and measures in songs. With dance music this is easy. After awhile, you know when the breakdown is going to hit even before the DJ does. Since most DJs do not have a musical education after all.

Though you can throw all that out the window if the club has no light tech or lights to begin with. In that case, improvise. Bring gels, bounce off of walls, and so on. Candles and practical (i.e. the architectural lighting) become your best friends. Live dangerously and shoot at 3200. Don't be afraid of a little noise. Your camera does not have a Peltier cooler (unless you're a mad scientist) and 3200 looking like 100 is about four years away. That noise is useful and can be your friend. I doubt the guy who got the headshot photo of Osama (and you know someone was there) was fussing over the ISO. Treat club shooting as an offshoot of photojournalism. You do what you can, but sometimes you have to deal with what is there. If the DJs rider says 'no flash', well, those are the breaks.

But, if you are lucky, the club/concert hall has a fairly competent tech and usually he or she is bored at a DJ-driven show. There's no specials, solos, or anything, except for maybe some dancers and switching the video loops. Obviously with the top tier guys like Tiësto, Deadmau5, and so on, there's a full-blown production, but for the most part, the tech is just hitting cues, and will be more than happy to set something up for you just to break the routine. And if it's a full blown production usually the lighting is photo-friendly anyways. Think rock concert.

Speaking the "language" helps. Walk around, get the brand names and types on the fixtures. Common brands include Martin, Highend, (yes, spelled as one word), Robé, Elation, Clay Paky, ETC, and so on. LEDs are typically sourced from Anolis or Element Labs. The round strobes are "Dataflash" and the rectangular blinders are Martin Atomics. The round "cans" are just that, PAR Cans. Google those terms for specifics.

And bring booze. Techs love booze, and email them a few shots for their lighting portfolio. You'll get it back in spades. I'm usually anti-freebie but if someone's working hard with little to show for it, I'll sympathize.

After awhile, you'll get some great ambient shots and you'll split off from the typical Gary Fong-sporting shooter in today's venues. Nothing against the Fong, I suppose I'd use one if I used my flash more, but I see a lot of guys who buy it thinking it's a magic lamp of some sort. Good for Gary though. I wish I thought of that.


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May 03, 2011 21:03 |  #1697

Randoms from the Prairies and West.

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May 03, 2011 23:38 |  #1698

Saturday night job at Pretty Please in Melbourne.

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Just bought a second 580EX, currently reading up and can't wait to use it.

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May 04, 2011 14:35 |  #1699

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May 04, 2011 23:53 |  #1700

@RagingBull - really digging the 5th shot. usually I consider the light trails a bit tacky and over done but it's made for a great fill... I used to be right into it myself but now I aim to get really "clean" and dynamic shots.

what's the club? looks like there's plenty of ambient lighting :)


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May 05, 2011 01:36 |  #1701

Light trails are usually the first thing any club shooter "pulls off". Along with that "zoom light trails" thing. After a bit it gets tiring and you find other things to do. I haven't deliberately done a light trail shot in years.


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May 05, 2011 03:41 |  #1702

Likewise, I'll drag the shutter to fill the shot with ambient light or create soft colourful backgrounds from things like waterfall lamps and LED fixed spots.

@pod_canon - are you using dual flash? I just purchased a second 580 and about to buy the PocketWizard TT5's... looking for hints n tips.

Also some comments and criticism on my above shots would be appreciated :D


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May 05, 2011 14:57 |  #1703

pod_canon wrote in post #12350597 (external link)
Light trails are usually the first thing any club shooter "pulls off". Along with that "zoom light trails" thing. After a bit it gets tiring and you find other things to do. I haven't deliberately done a light trail shot in years.


Actually wasnt the first thing i pulled off...im probably a slow learner....it has gotten tiring for me but the dj's/promoters/owners love it. So when i start hearing complaints from the folks that pay me, i'll stop.


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May 05, 2011 15:00 |  #1704

D.Gold wrote in post #12350262 (external link)
@RagingBull - really digging the 5th shot. usually I consider the light trails a bit tacky and over done but it's made for a great fill... I used to be right into it myself but now I aim to get really "clean" and dynamic shots.

what's the club? looks like there's plenty of ambient lighting :)


Maracas & Moka in Queens, NY....Plenty of ambient light...they have these red hot lamps from the ceiling, ruined countless shots.


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May 05, 2011 15:39 |  #1705

pod_canon wrote in post #12342900 (external link)
I may have said this before, but the best thing one can do with regards to lighting in nightclubs and concerts is to learn the basics of intelligent lighting as well as learn how to count beats and measures in songs. With dance music this is easy. After awhile, you know when the breakdown is going to hit even before the DJ does. Since most DJs do not have a musical education after all.

Though you can throw all that out the window if the club has no light tech or lights to begin with. In that case, improvise. Bring gels, bounce off of walls, and so on. Candles and practical (i.e. the architectural lighting) become your best friends. Live dangerously and shoot at 3200. Don't be afraid of a little noise. Your camera does not have a Peltier cooler (unless you're a mad scientist) and 3200 looking like 100 is about four years away. That noise is useful and can be your friend. I doubt the guy who got the headshot photo of Osama (and you know someone was there) was fussing over the ISO. Treat club shooting as an offshoot of photojournalism. You do what you can, but sometimes you have to deal with what is there. If the DJs rider says 'no flash', well, those are the breaks.

But, if you are lucky, the club/concert hall has a fairly competent tech and usually he or she is bored at a DJ-driven show. There's no specials, solos, or anything, except for maybe some dancers and switching the video loops. Obviously with the top tier guys like Tiësto, Deadmau5, and so on, there's a full-blown production, but for the most part, the tech is just hitting cues, and will be more than happy to set something up for you just to break the routine. And if it's a full blown production usually the lighting is photo-friendly anyways. Think rock concert.

Speaking the "language" helps. Walk around, get the brand names and types on the fixtures. Common brands include Martin, Highend, (yes, spelled as one word), Robé, Elation, Clay Paky, ETC, and so on. LEDs are typically sourced from Anolis or Element Labs. The round strobes are "Dataflash" and the rectangular blinders are Martin Atomics. The round "cans" are just that, PAR Cans. Google those terms for specifics.

And bring booze. Techs love booze, and email them a few shots for their lighting portfolio. You'll get it back in spades. I'm usually anti-freebie but if someone's working hard with little to show for it, I'll sympathize.

After awhile, you'll get some great ambient shots and you'll split off from the typical Gary Fong-sporting shooter in today's venues. Nothing against the Fong, I suppose I'd use one if I used my flash more, but I see a lot of guys who buy it thinking it's a magic lamp of some sort. Good for Gary though. I wish I thought of that.

long post. I actually prefer the use of parcans in some instances than the LEDs. Sometimes the LEDs can just be very strong with no nice fall off like a parcan. At times they just burn out things an awful lot.

I wish I worked in the states though, had a few discussions with alot of the guys working on shows in the states and the general concensus is that american clubs the lighting is all part of the experience (like rock show). In the uk we are serverely lagging behind and we still love this dirty dark look to quite a few venues and then ontop of that one of my main ones theres a huge obsession with the smoke machine (in a venue with little ventillation). Ive actually forgotten the last time a venue i worked in properly hit some blinders/floor light for a moment of hands in the air in a big trance/house track..

Bit of a shame but hey ho its festival season coming up so I get some lovely light to work with on the main stages where i wont need to be shooting at iso 6400 on 2.8 glass and praying the dj stays still enough to the screen on the 2000s to get any light.

pod_canon wrote in post #12350597 (external link)
Light trails are usually the first thing any club shooter "pulls off". Along with that "zoom light trails" thing. After a bit it gets tiring and you find other things to do. I haven't deliberately done a light trail shot in years.

I personally always think the 1-2" exposure shots on djs with lighting on their faces look messy and dont have alot of use.




  
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May 05, 2011 20:42 |  #1706

If I'm shooting a DJ I'm kind of aiming for clarity rather than smearing, so I'll wait for the lights to cooperate to get "the" shot. I'm not a fan of that that smeary look either.


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May 05, 2011 23:40 as a reply to  @ RagingBull's post |  #1707

I reside in queens NY also hard to get my foot in the door w/o doing it for free. How did you get started out here. Always wanted to ask you if you use on camera flash or off camera with a diffuser? great stuff by the way.

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May 06, 2011 13:29 |  #1708

thanks!

i started off shooting for free...now photography pays my rent and puts spending money in my pocket every month....i know many dont suggest starting off for free b/c people will always expect you to work for free...just set your limits and use judgement.

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May 07, 2011 00:44 |  #1709

RagingBull wrote in post #12360136 (external link)
thanks!

i started off shooting for free...now photography pays my rent and puts spending money in my pocket every month....i know many dont suggest starting off for free b/c people will always expect you to work for free...just set your limits and use judgement.

good luck!

Same here - first club gigs I ever did were for free and tied in with promoting. I used to do mobile djing and bought a ****ty DSLR to take photos of the gigs we did, soon people wanted those pics so I charged extra for the night.

got into promoting and djing at clubs and mentioned I can take happy snaps, did it for free until I had enough work to showcase and searched for a club host to take me on... networking upon networking > It's who you know, not what you know!

now I work 5-6 nights a week and it pays all my expenses :)


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May 07, 2011 10:55 |  #1710

D.Gold wrote in post #12363205 (external link)
Same here - first club gigs I ever did were for free and tied in with promoting. I used to do mobile djing and bought a ****ty DSLR to take photos of the gigs we did, soon people wanted those pics so I charged extra for the night.

got into promoting and djing at clubs and mentioned I can take happy snaps, did it for free until I had enough work to showcase and searched for a club host to take me on... networking upon networking > It's who you know, not what you know!

now I work 5-6 nights a week and it pays all my expenses :)

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thanks!

i started off shooting for free...now photography pays my rent and puts spending money in my pocket every month....i know many dont suggest starting off for free b/c people will always expect you to work for free...just set your limits and use judgement.

good luck!

thanx guys for the advice, Ill give it a try. I got a nikon d90 18-105 and a stofen/sb600, hope its enough out in the field. you guys have any more suggestions. great pics by the way. D.gold


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