night club photos (NWS) (2)

My previous shots were the the 7D. Here's a few to show the 40D is still kickin'!

Software question:

I am upgrading my pc to Windows 8 and I would like to purchase Lightroom 4 but when I go on Amazon, it says that it is only available for W7, Mac and Vista. Who in the forum has used Lightroom 4 on W8 with no problems?

Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated

Some amazing shots on here. I need to get a wider lens.

srika wrote in post #15504805

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IMG_8307S by Rasidel Slika, on Flickr

She's is hawt.

DAMN good stuff just on the last page.. I hardly post here anymore

Rasidel still my fav gogo dancer photographer!

Shea nice Porn n chicken stuff. Great zebo shot!

fminus wrote in post #15465121
MojeIme: Why in gods name, do you need a 1D for nightclub photography? Isn't that a bit overkill?

I dont see how nightclub photography should be treated any differently to other forms of photography.

Its a job and so things like dual memory cards for backing up images, better build quality for the knocks they take, longer battery life etc....

I have shot on 1 series bodies for about 4/5 years and recently upgraded to a 1DX - and yes there have been many a shot I would not have got on a 450D for example (iso 51.200 at 1.2 gives you some idea of how dark things can be)......

450D and 1DX, two separate beasts.

Shooting at ISO 51.200 @ 1.2...this would be pretty much pitch black environment in a nightclub. And I am pretty sure the shots would be too grainy to use in these situations. If you have any, shot at these settings, I would love to see them.

I still stand by my statement, that a 1DX is overkill for nightclub work. A 5DMKII is more than qualified. Especially if you pair it with some proper glass for the low light environments.

If you look at the cost of the 1DX, compared to how much the average salary is per night as a nightclub photographer. How many jobs must you take, to cover the cost of the body? In addition, all the unnecessary wear and tear on the shutter, and risks that come associated with the job. (ie spilled drinks, drunk people, etc.). Completely overkill for the job, and makes no sense financially to get the camera.

Now, if you use a 1DX for other jobs, I can understand, but no photographer with any common sense would bring that camera into a nightclub. More than likely they would use their backup body instead. And if you have a 1DX and a backup body, it could be a good assumption that your photography career doesn't involve much nightclub work. The majority of the photographers I work with, use a 7D/5DMKII or Nikon 300/700.

Nightclub photography is the McDonalds equivalent of photography work. **** hours accompanied by **** pay. How many photographers earn their living doing nightclub work solely? None. We all start there, and move up the ladder to other things, either events, corporate stuff, studio work, etc. Is it photography, yes. Should it be treated any differently than other forms of photography, meh, that's questionable.

fminus wrote in post #15521186
I still stand by my statement, that a 1DX is overkill for nightclub work. A 5DMKII is more than qualified. Especially if you pair it with some proper glass for the low light environments.

I have to agree with you there, I have a 5D (classic) and a 5D MKII, unless there is a special event I only use my 5Dc for nightlife photography

Maybe the clubs I shoot at aren't as dark as the ones over in the USA, but 1000ISO + F4 at 1/5th-1/20th and up to 1/200th for the gogo shots give me more than enough ambient light in the background...

fminus wrote in post #15521186
450D and 1DX, two separate beasts.

Shooting at ISO 51.200 @ 1.2...this would be pretty much pitch black environment in a nightclub. And I am pretty sure the shots would be too grainy to use in these situations. If you have any, shot at these settings, I would love to see them.

I still stand by my statement, that a 1DX is overkill for nightclub work. A 5DMKII is more than qualified. Especially if you pair it with some proper glass for the low light environments.

If you look at the cost of the 1DX, compared to how much the average salary is per night as a nightclub photographer. How many jobs must you take, to cover the cost of the body? In addition, all the unnecessary wear and tear on the shutter, and risks that come associated with the job. (ie spilled drinks, drunk people, etc.). Completely overkill for the job, and makes no sense financially to get the camera.

Now, if you use a 1DX for other jobs, I can understand, but no photographer with any common sense would bring that camera into a nightclub. More than likely they would use their backup body instead. And if you have a 1DX and a backup body, it could be a good assumption that your photography career doesn't involve much nightclub work. The majority of the photographers I work with, use a 7D/5DMKII or Nikon 300/700.

Nightclub photography is the McDonalds equivalent of photography work. **** hours accompanied by **** pay. How many photographers earn their living doing nightclub work solely? None. We all start there, and move up the ladder to other things, either events, corporate stuff, studio work, etc. Is it photography, yes. Should it be treated any differently than other forms of photography, meh, that's questionable.

Im sorry but irrespective on if you feel its the bottom end of photography if its a paid job you should treat it with the same respect as any other form of photography.

As for the other stuff... Pretty much most of my income is from nightclub work. Yes I could justify the DX as it fits my needs perfectly, as I really am not a great fan of flash work and the venues I work are very dark.

As for useable at 51.200 - https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net …708863279_28925​8235_n.jpg

Its not always a case of pushing it that far, here iso 20.000 - https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net …13484212_183117​3091_n.jpg

For me thats more acceptable than motion blur for example, and not many other bodies would be able to deal with it.

As for risks - Thats why I have insurance, the same as I would no matter what kit I shoot on. I can say thought I have had a 1 series bounce down a flight of concrete stairs at a gig, the 16-35 got obliterated, however I had enough glass to get me by with the body still working for the rest of the night.

At the end of the day shoot on what you want, but not everyone shoots in the same way and thus specs their kit differently. It doesnt mean they lack common sense or financial intelligence......

If I was meerly shooting the punters with the same iso 800 F4 shutter drag as everyone else I probably wouldn't need much more than my old 30D and a sigma 10-20 but due to the spec of my clients not wanting that I have my kit set differently.

itsafastworld85 wrote in post #15521664
Im sorry but irrespective on if you feel its the bottom end of photography if its a paid job you should treat it with the same respect as any other form of photography.

As for the other stuff... Pretty much most of my income is from nightclub work. Yes I could justify the DX as it fits my needs perfectly, as I really am not a great fan of flash work and the venues I work are very dark.

As for useable at 51.200 - https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net …708863279_28925​8235_n.jpg

Its not always a case of pushing it that far, here iso 20.000 - https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net …13484212_183117​3091_n.jpg

For me thats more acceptable than motion blur for example, and not many other bodies would be able to deal with it.

As for risks - Thats why I have insurance, the same as I would no matter what kit I shoot on. I can say thought I have had a 1 series bounce down a flight of concrete stairs at a gig, the 16-35 got obliterated, however I had enough glass to get me by with the body still working for the rest of the night.

At the end of the day shoot on what you want, but not everyone shoots in the same way and thus specs their kit differently. It doesnt mean they lack common sense or financial intelligence......

If I was meerly shooting the punters with the same iso 800 F4 shutter drag as everyone else I probably wouldn't need much more than my old 30D and a sigma 10-20 but due to the spec of my clients not wanting that I have my kit set differently.

seeing the kind of photos you take it makes more sense you using the 1Dx, perhaps overkill but hey, like you said, you shoot one what you want, my 5D is probably overkill too for the kind of photo's I take in nightlife...


PS: Someone get a club owner to set up a decent big club in Málaga please... seeing your pics makes me jealous and sad of not having such a club over here

Ockie wrote in post #15524274
seeing the kind of photos you take it makes more sense you using the 1Dx, perhaps overkill but hey, like you said, you shoot one what you want, my 5D is probably overkill too for the kind of photo's I take in nightlife...


PS: Someone get a club owner to set up a decent big club in Málaga please... seeing your pics makes me jealous and sad of not having such a club over here

The best clubs in the world right now in terms of production really are the US and the middle east. Discussing with the people i work with the shows it really is incredible some of the things they put on.

My work heck the DX has helped me wonders over my 1diii, infact once the new tax year is here I plan to chop it in for a second one as my back up I just dont like using.

A 5D iii some may say would be perfect, but I don't like the way they feel in my hand, even with the bolt on grips. Part of shooting events is working on instinct and not second guessing or feeling the kit you use isnt an extension of your arm, and someone mentioned shutter life for which the DX is rated at over 3x the amount of the 5d.

Apologies if it may have seemed that I wanted an argument on here. This wasnt the case, I just think sometimes people seem to ignore the fact we all have different styles/needs for our clients and thus 'overkill' for one might still be underkill for someone else.

fminus wrote in post #15521186
450D and 1DX, two separate beasts.

Shooting at ISO 51.200 @ 1.2...this would be pretty much pitch black environment in a nightclub. And I am pretty sure the shots would be too grainy to use in these situations. If you have any, shot at these settings, I would love to see them.

I still stand by my statement, that a 1DX is overkill for nightclub work. A 5DMKII is more than qualified. Especially if you pair it with some proper glass for the low light environments.

If you look at the cost of the 1DX, compared to how much the average salary is per night as a nightclub photographer. How many jobs must you take, to cover the cost of the body? In addition, all the unnecessary wear and tear on the shutter, and risks that come associated with the job. (ie spilled drinks, drunk people, etc.). Completely overkill for the job, and makes no sense financially to get the camera.

Now, if you use a 1DX for other jobs, I can understand, but no photographer with any common sense would bring that camera into a nightclub. More than likely they would use their backup body instead. And if you have a 1DX and a backup body, it could be a good assumption that your photography career doesn't involve much nightclub work. The majority of the photographers I work with, use a 7D/5DMKII or Nikon 300/700.

Nightclub photography is the McDonalds equivalent of photography work. **** hours accompanied by **** pay. How many photographers earn their living doing nightclub work solely? None. We all start there, and move up the ladder to other things, either events, corporate stuff, studio work, etc. Is it photography, yes. Should it be treated any differently than other forms of photography, meh, that's questionable.

completely ignorant. how about a wedding photographer, are there similar risks involved with wedding photography as there are with nightclub photog? you better damn believe there are. ever seen the video of the photog falling into a water fountain at a wedding? surely 1D's are standard fare for weddings right?

srika wrote in post #15525358
completely ignorant. how about a wedding photographer, are there similar risks involved with wedding photography as there are with nightclub photog? you better damn believe there are. ever seen the video of the photog falling into a water fountain at a wedding? surely 1D's are standard fare for weddings right?

Indeed....

I shoot events where my photos are used in the advertising for the next years festival for example....

I guess having a card failure is acceptable because I only need a 5d and not the redundancy of dual cards for my paying client.

Please explain the similar risks between the two. I have done both and I can't see the correlation. That wedding photographer who fell in the fountain, is a personal accident he had on his own. If I fell down a flight of stairs at the club, does this make it a dangerous environment as well?

As I said before, if it's for nightclub per say, I think it's overkill. But for commercial use, it can be more understandable.

But guys, we can argue all day, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. The reason I brought it up, as to not start some flameware. I just don't want some random kid stumbling upon the thread and thinking, "Oh I wanna be a great nightclub photographer, I need a Canon 1DX like so and so had"....or I need this...which he doesn't.

Then he goes out, selling himself on the streets, to afford the camera, when he could have just as well gotten a lower end model, saving himself some money and hepatitis.