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7D noise at ISO100? (very large screen cap to show the problem!)

 
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Jul 11, 2010 15:24 |  #106

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Jul 11, 2010 20:55 |  #107

Jack, funny you post oyster shots, we were clamming (quahogging) all week out at Block Island!

anyway, I've had a 1 series. It was, at the time, the only way for me to get FPS. I had a 1Nrs in my film days with an A2e. Back then, we didn't have to worry about IQ body to body which was nice. Use your good lenses with low ISO fine grained film and it all looked the same. I got the 1Dii for FPS in digital, but after a long time with it I got tired of the bulk. Yes there were times the respect they get was nice, but MORE often I got hassled or questioned because of it. I prefer the lack of looks (or less looks) with a 5D/7D and DO NOT use grips for that reason as well as size/weight... Also, if canon made a proper 1.3 UWA zoom it'd help a ton. Sigma's 12-24mm is great, but it's the only lens remotely wide on the sensor. And knowing it works on FF and DOES NOT "take filters" (I have walk arounds) is a bummer for me. If I'm shooting at ~16mm I want screw on filters. Wider I can tolerate the loss. But the 1D series is so heavy w/o proper dedicated lenses, I was a FF version and I'd consider it.

not sure if I mentioned it earlier of if you brought it up, but a 5Dc is on my list of possibilities for sure.


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Jul 12, 2010 13:08 |  #108

jacobsen1 wrote in post #10518339 (external link)
Jack, funny you post oyster shots, we were clamming (quahogging) all week out at Block Island!

Necks? Cherrystones? When people 'quahog' here, they mean chowder grade commercial dredging destined for Progresso or Campbell Soup. Don't you have like half bushel limit per day in RI? Hand raked cherrystones from cultured stock were next to oysters, but they were not on my shoot list...

Back to 7D-low ISO noise. More I use 7D, more I like its rugged responsiveness and focusing. I had it out doing heat and drought, from truck roof, getting wet - with my version of wide angle (use normal lens and crop (haha).
http://postit.rutgers.​edu …t%5FIrrig%5FCor​n%5F63.jpg (external link)
http://postit.rutgers.​edu …t%5FIrrig%5FCor​n%5F62.jpg (external link)
1. Every image was 0.3-0.4 -EV from best exposure; needed boost. Just does. Proper 7D + exposure in neutral tones = low ISO noise not a problem in most situations.
2. No blocked up shadows deep in rows, nor highlight retention problems. 7D doing excellent job.
3. The AF system is bees knees. I shot all over center pivot. 7D AF system, any AF point I chose, picked out single low pressure drop nozzle emitters in low contrast mist. Frequently, 1D over responds, quickly jumping to background when it can't find a contrasty target.
4. Camera got wet with no problems.
5. Sweet corn & steamed clams eat well together.

With 7D noise solved to my satisfaction, problem becomes how to do decent wide angle with APS-C field of view camera?
Not my strong point. I'm thinking, after looking at your shots, of picking up Tokina 12-24 f/4. It will work on a 1D from about 15mm. I do not like variable aperture zooms. Will pick up where 24-105L IS leaves off. 24-105 is my most used outdoor and event workhorse, on 7D APS-C or 1D.
Makes no difference the format, 24-105 lens, on any body, properly frames what I see and need filling the VF, fast. I busted it once. I read forum drivel about needing full 35mm frame, framing issues on crop cameras, blah blah. Just not a problem.

What is a problem is companion wide angle. Only reason to make a wide angle shot is "pull the viewer into the frame." That means getting close to something, having a foreground anchor, to distort perspective, while showing the rest of a receding scene.
That means a satisfactory cropper wide angle lens should:
- zoom,
- focus close,
- have good native max magnification at close focus (e.g. > 0.2x),
- have a constant aperture,
- take filters for protection from elements.
- not need stopping down to f/5.6-8 to yield good photos.

Is this too much to ask from a WA lens? Canon 16-35mm f/2.8L does this for 35mm cameras. I use it on my 1D; never feel limited, like: http://aesop.rutgers.e​du …es/Organic_Alfa​lfa_11.htm (external link)
Sticky plant sap alfalfa fragments flailing about stuck to lens, camera, filter. Took me half an hour to clean it.

I borrowed a Canon 10-22mm. Way too wide, for me. I could not frame with it. Irritated me. Variable aperture. Likewise, Sigma 8-16 is way too wide, and too slow. Maybe not for landscapes, but I can't use it. Too much wasted viewfinder real estate.
That leaves Tokina 12-24mm f/4 to try, except that it has mediocre native max magnification at close focus. You ever try this Tokina?
Even here, the widest I needed was 23mm on a crop camera:
http://aesop.rutgers.e​du …ides/VikingVill​age_04.htm (external link)

Finally, what young people will do digging shellfish in name of science. These are 1970s scans from slides, EktaChromes, because I had trouble color balancing:
http://postit.rutgers.​edu …FShellfish%5FLa​b%5F01.jpg (external link)
http://postit.rutgers.​edu …FShellfish%5FLa​b%5F31.jpg (external link)

Part of a set on breeding oysters against MSX disease.

Enjoy, Jack




  
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