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Jul 10, 2010 04:52 |  #1

Up until now I've been editing all my images on a 15" TN laptop screen, and I feel I'm not getting the best out of my images because of the horrible screen.

After the summer I'm about to build a desktop computer, and I'm trying to choose a screen for it.

The question is: Should I go for a 24" Dell U2410/HP LP2475 wide gamut monitor, or should I save some money(and probably some hassle) by sticking to sRGB and getting a Viewsonic VP2365 or similar IPS monitor?

I don't mind a 22" or 23" screen, but I want at least 1920x1080 resolution, and all the wide gamut screens I've seen in that size segment are 1680x1050.

The Dell U2410 is much cheaper than the HP, but it still costs 4000 SEK(Dell doesn't sell displays in Finland, I have to import them from Sweden). For that cost I could almost get two 22" sRGB IPS monitors.

I'll be running Linux on this computer, and I have no experience with color management in Linux. Does anyone here have experience with Linux color management?

I'm also interested in starting printing my own photos, and that's one of the reasons wide gamut is tempting.


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Jul 10, 2010 07:41 |  #2

RaZe42 wrote in post #10509975 (external link)
I'll be running Linux on this computer, and I have no experience with color management in Linux. Does anyone here have experience with Linux color management?

I've never tried to calibrate my monitor before so I can't give you any detail instructions, but the following two softwares should help you out:

- dispcalGUI (http://hoech.net/dispc​alGUI/ (external link)). A graphical frontend to Argyll CMS
- Argyll CMS (http://www.argyllcms.c​om (external link)). Command line color management system.

That should get you started.


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Jul 10, 2010 07:54 as a reply to  @ cedm's post |  #3

I actually found ArgyllCMS/dispcalGUI just after my post(though wikipedia). They're installed now, and seem quite functional, but they're not much use without a colorimeter.

Speaking of colorimeters, I'll have to get one, but the ones that are recommended on this forum are out of my price range. Does the Spyder 3 Express handle wide gamut displays? ( No worries about Linux compatibility, I'll have Windows installed too)


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Jul 10, 2010 08:14 |  #4

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Does the Spyder 3 Express handle wide gamut displays? ( No worries about Linux compatibility, I'll have Windows installed too)

Beisdes the ColorMunki, the Spyder3 colorimeter is the ONLY device which can handle wide gamut displays. The Spyder3 Express will be adequate for calibrating a consumer level wide gamut LCD.


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Jul 10, 2010 08:25 |  #5

Thank you Chas. Just the answer I was looking for.

I see that you're quite active on this part of the forum, and I appreciate your willingness to help.


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Jul 10, 2010 10:04 |  #6

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I see that you're quite active on this part of the forum, and I appreciate your willingness to help.

I'm always glad to help with stuff I have hands on experience with. I do some tech support for a huge real estate company and I field help calls and emails constantly.

Regarding the Spyder3 hardware... that is a colorimeter that is supported by just about every third party monitor calibration software out there. I rarely have need to use it, but I still keep a Spyder3 Express device in my equipment cabinet.


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Jul 10, 2010 13:17 |  #7

ChasP505 wrote in post #10510382 (external link)
Beisdes the ColorMunki, the Spyder3 colorimeter is the ONLY device which can handle wide gamut displays. The Spyder3 Express will be adequate for calibrating a consumer level wide gamut LCD.

Are you sure about that... EyeOne Display2 should be fine for wide gamut displays also.


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Jul 14, 2010 11:39 |  #8

BluewookieJim wrote in post #10511559 (external link)
Are you sure about that... EyeOne Display2 should be fine for wide gamut displays also.

It certainly seems to work on my Dell 2408.


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Jul 14, 2010 16:38 |  #9

BluewookieJim wrote in post #10511559 (external link)
Are you sure about that... EyeOne Display2 should be fine for wide gamut displays also.

The iOne Display 2 will create a very usable profile, but it may be off as compared to a colorimeter with filters tuned for wide gamut displays. I see it as trying to measure something 12 feet high when you only have a 10 foot tape measure. The first ten feet is very accurate, but that remaining 2 feet is questionable.

Most of the high end monitors (Eizo, Quato, LaCie, NEC) are available with tuned hardware and software for an integrated calibration system. The special X-Rite colorimeter which is part of NEC's Spectraview II system (external link), is nothing more than an iOne Display v.2 colorimeter with specially tuned filters for use with NEC's wide gamut displays.


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Jul 14, 2010 19:04 |  #10

Not trying to be a jerk, but I can't find any concrete evidence that the i1d2 does not correctly handle wide gamut displays. Is there anything you can point me at?


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Jul 14, 2010 20:17 |  #11

BluewookieJim wrote in post #10537616 (external link)
Not trying to be a jerk, but I can't find any concrete evidence that the i1d2 does not correctly handle wide gamut displays. Is there anything you can point me at?

I don't want to be a jerk either, but I've been reading this data for years from color scientists and color management authorities. I am severely physically handicapped and searching for reference sources for you is quite fatiguing.


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Jul 14, 2010 20:28 |  #12

In this day and age where the camera and some printers color abilities outshine the monitors,. I would definitely pay the extra.



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Jul 14, 2010 22:12 |  #13

ChasP505 wrote in post #10537956 (external link)
I don't want to be a jerk either, but I've been reading this data for years from color scientists and color management authorities. I am severely physically handicapped and searching for reference sources for you is quite fatiguing.

Whatever. Thanks for sharing information.


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Jul 15, 2010 08:04 |  #14

BluewookieJim wrote in post #10538605 (external link)
Whatever. Thanks for sharing information.

Don't be lazy.... A 30 second Google search turned up this:

http://luminous-landscape.com …17&view=findpos​t&p=273682 (external link)

I'm not talking about "good" and "bad"... I'm talking about "acceptable" vs. "preferable". Many high end monitors use the iOne Displayv2 puck as part of their calibration system, but the proprietary calibration software has matrices built in to adjust for the behavior of the iOne hardware. Same with the older X-Rite DTP-94/Monaco Optix Pro colorimeter (which I adamantly believe is better than the iOne Display 2). My opinion is, if you already own an iOne Display 2 and you acquire a wide gamut monitor, just use it. But if you buy a wide gamut monitor and now need a calibration system, consider the ColorMunki or a Spyder3.


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Jul 15, 2010 15:09 |  #15

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In this day and age where the camera and some printers color abilities outshine the monitors,. I would definitely pay the extra.

Yup. It's not like you buy a new monitor every year, and I figured it's worth investing in considering I'll be looking at it a lot.

So wide gamut it is. :)

I'm thinking Dell U2410. Any votes against it? Words of wisdom?


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