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85L1.2II and 300L2.8nonIS gear test for dog show

 
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Jul 11, 2010 11:05 |  #1

Next year there will a be an important world dog show in Paris, so I went there yesterday for the national one, just to make some real life test and try to figure what should be my best gear for this event.

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Actually I am a prime fanatic and I sold all my zooms, because I felt there are basically too slow to be used for action.
But 70-200L2.8II seems to be so loved by everybody, that I wanted to figure wether with my 300L2.8nonIS at 2.8 I could do something. But definitely it's to slow, I couldn't get any pictures under ISO 3200 and iso 4000 was just enough to get sharp running dogs.

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So results are a bit insufficient to take that lens to a rather dark indoor Dog Show... This make really make me reconsider to try a 70-200L2.8II .. I think it's definitely to slow if I want to freeze action at 1/800 ..

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Jul 11, 2010 11:11 |  #2

I also brought my well know 85L1.2II, which is my favourite lens for dog shows, But usually, I don't take such quick dogs with that lens, and it's also really to short for big rings, I had go inside the ring to get the correct distance, which is not really allowed (I didn't have any pass for this event) ..

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So I could get correct iso setting between 200 and 1600 ...
Even, if AF can be a bit difficult for such situation, but very good for smaller rings or more static sitituations

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So my main regret was that I brought a 24L1.4II which I didn't use at all, and not my 135L2.0 and my 580EX.... I don't know whether F2.0 is sufficient or not for indoor use and I don't know whether a flash can help for 200mm (which seems to be a perfect lengh for dog shows).
I had expectations to get good results with my 3kg 300L2.8 ... but not !!! I will, from now on, only use it outdoor (F1 races, Quadbike races, etc..) !

So I imagine that a 70-200L2.8II won't satisfy me either, because the minimum freezing speed is 1/640 .. optimal is 1/800 or 1/1000 to get tac sharp action pictures.

It's pity, that I can't find a way to have a 200L2.0IS for testing purpose, or does some of people on the forum have pictures of an indoor dog show ?
What do you use for indoor "agility or flying ball competitions" ?

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Jul 11, 2010 13:08 |  #3

Where was this? Parc des Expositions?

The ceiling lights remind me of the same setup.


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Jul 11, 2010 13:10 |  #4

Omaru wrote in post #10516407 (external link)
Where was this? Parc des Expositions?

The ceiling lights remind me of the same setup.

Yes ... and it's really dark and very difficult light. mixture of strong daylight and artificial.


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Jul 11, 2010 16:45 |  #5

Those are great looking low light shots. Very nice job.




  
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Jul 11, 2010 16:50 |  #6

The 85L is not a good lens for this. Try the 135L.




  
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Jul 11, 2010 17:52 |  #7

newworld666 wrote in post #10516415 (external link)
Yes ... and it's really dark and very difficult light. mixture of strong daylight and artificial.


I knew it. Yeah that place was very very dark. I was there last weekend for the Japan Expo event. good thing I had my 35 1.4 for portraits and the 135L as well.

As for the lenses I think even a 2.0 lens or less would have a hard time unless you crank up the ISO higher. I'm not sure why you didn't try the 135L though.


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Jul 11, 2010 18:03 as a reply to  @ Omaru's post |  #8

The 200 2L sounds like its just about perfect for this.




  
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Jul 11, 2010 18:08 |  #9

The 200 2L sounds like its just about perfect for this.

I can hear the canon rep screaming "YES! WE JUST SOLD ANOTHER ONE OF THINGS! And you thought it was too expenisve..."




  
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Jul 11, 2010 18:25 |  #10

IMO, all the pics are more than acceptably sharp and decently exposed. Understand the lighting was less than optimal, I think you did a great job with all the lenses in your bag. The 70-200 f/2.8 definitely doesn't cut it indoors at events with fast moving subjects. Like in basketball, the 70-200 never sees any action. Only my 85 f/1.8 and the 135 f/2 L are fast enough for low light conditions.

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Jul 11, 2010 19:47 |  #11

Well, it really does sound like the 200mm f2L would be perfect for this...the right focal length, sharp at f2 if you need it, and IS that allows you to shoot at slower shutter speeds if you need to. Focus is as fast as the 135L. I've never shot a dog show with it, but I've shot indoor soccer, and it works well for that (paired with the 1d4). Another option is to use your 580 flash with a Better Beamer to get an extra stop from the flash. The 200mm focal length is borderline for it, but I've had pretty good luck as far as illuminating the center of the shot properly. Although typically used for wildlife photography, I don't see why it wouldn't work for this.


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Jul 11, 2010 20:55 as a reply to  @ sdipirro's post |  #12

I use mine mostly for available light candids and portraits. I have never shot wild life with it.




  
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Jul 11, 2010 23:18 |  #13

The 85mm shots look killer. I think all your shots are well exposed and really clear. Even at high ISO the quality is good. I would maybe consider the 200 f2. But that costs as much as a car. There's nothing really up in the 200+ that are under f2.8. Your only bet is a high performing ISO body.


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Jul 11, 2010 23:31 |  #14

airfrogusmc wrote in post #10517552 (external link)
The 200 2L sounds like its just about perfect for this.

Seconded

But man...My jaw dropped at this, Seriously, dont beat yourself up you did a fantastic job! Those shots look FANTASTIC despite the high ISO..so much color and contrast and the noise is hardly noticeable, and everything is tack sharp


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Jul 11, 2010 23:54 |  #15

Thank you, but the fact is that there is a big gap between pictures taken with the 300L2.8 and the 85L1.2.. at iso 4000 even a 5D MKII and post processing can't do miracles :( . (Outdoor, the 300L2.8 is a monster)
I would be very happy with 85mm pictures, but definitely it's too short for big rings, even for small rings I was obliged to enter inside the ring and sit down in the middle:oops:, which is not really fair. There are other indoor shows, so I will definitely try my 135L2.0 just to see if F2.0 is sufficient or not. 85L1.2II's AF was not a big issue, I could manage running dogs quite easily.

I remember also that flash is useless with dogs, their eyes become highlighted instantly, which gives terrific results. I won't take such risk, I already tried many times with my dogs and more than half of the shots, eyes were highlighted.

I won't buy a 200L2.0 just for dog show :confused:, but I can use it also for other matters like motocross, quadbike .. So, if indoor F2.0 is good, I would prefer a good lens (I keep for 20 years) than a car :lol:, but, first I must see some quite dark indoor samples ;) first.


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