Yes another what did I do wrong thread

OK I used a 5DII for the weekend to see if I'd like it before committing to it. Well I didn't like it. I'm not sure what I did wrong. I compared my 30D and used a tripod and metered everything the same, and set everything up very basic and the same. Then messed around a bit with other settings and shot like I normally shoot. I didn't like barely any of the 5DII shots!?? Sure the VF was wonderful and bright, the AF was fine for me, I LOVED the FF, I liked the weight and everything else. But looking on the computer later the high ISO was worse then the 30D? I don't know why. The exposures metered the same on both cameras so I trusted the 5DII would expose correctly. I shot my husband playing guitar in his studio and the 30D shots came out great and the 5DII came out all noisy. Even at 1600 the shots are bad. I tried metering off his arm, the guitar, his face, all came out weird. With the 30D with different metering all came out like normal.

I know this camera pushes the reds a lot, but it also seemed to over saturate everything to the point it was too much, and too sharp. It seemed to blow out the highlights worse, even when I exposed for the highlights. Yes I could shoot RAW, but my computer system won't handle RAW yet, and I was only going to upgrade if I bought the camera. I normally shoot JPEG as I'm no where near a pro and never intend to be, I shoot normally for prints for home, calendars for presents for family and for the web. So I don't need excellent RAW shots, but I was hoping for something equal to the 30D at least! Also shooting a sunset with my ND filter, tripod, ISO 100 etc the images were worse then on the 30D.

No I don't have examples, I'm sorry, I got so mad I tossed most of them, the rest are at home on the computer.

I by no means was expecting a miracle, I just wanted something similar to my 30D but FF. I know I could learn more about shooting, but right now with my health I'm feeling a bit lazy, and want to shoot like I've been shooting. I'm thinking of looking at the 50D instead now since if the exposure is similar I'd rather spend less on the body and more on a lens upgrade. But now I'm not sure of that either. Part of me even wants to just get a rebel which will be lighter and maybe easier for me.

Please don't flame me (I know that's just asking for it) but I'm not feeling well lately and I just need help, not the typical you should just get a p&s if you're that lazy. I've been shooting for 25 years and know a bit about exposure, but I'm just frustrated and now don't know what camera to buy.

I wish I could keep my 30D but the focus is acting up again and canon says it may be $200-300 to fix, and being 4 years old I'm not sure how much longer it'll last anyway. So i'm not sure it's worth it to repair instead of buying new.

So I guess is the 50D "easier" to use over the 5DII? Will it be more like my 30D for exposure and high ISO? Could that 5DII have just been a dud and that's not how they all work?

Without a sample it's hard to comment. Anything said would just be a guess. I'm a devote pixel peeper and can easily see a significant difference between any body I have ever had, 7D included.

in theory the 5dmkii should blow the 30D away in regards to high ISO. No idea what went wrong without example im afraid.

The only thing i can think of is that the incamera settings are
A) very different on each body
B) the 30D might be a lot more agressive with its noise reduction.

The only way to see the real difference in IQ is to look at a RAW from each at the same settings with basic settings. Otherwise there are to many factors.

For all we know the 5dmkii had its settings set to high saturation and no noise reduction. Seeing as it was rented who knows what its settings were.... unless you checked them of course.

Saying all this if you dont shoot action type shots (and even if you do) you might like the latest rebels. I love mine and happily shoot up to ISO 3200. Il go to 6400 if i need to. However i would love a 5dmkii but il wait a long while before stepping up to FF. Its what i currently plan to do when i eventually get a new body.

No idea what could be wrong. I've owned and used 300D, 30D, 50D, 5D and 5D Mk II and the Mk II is at least 2 stops better for noise than the 30D. I regularly shoot at 1600 ISO with it and I rarely went above 400 ISO with the 30D. Maybe the oversaturation was caused by having the camera set to the wrong picture style for the type of shots you were taking? I never shoot jpg so I don't know what the camera is like for handling jpg conversions.

I'm only a pixel peeper for the first day or two of owning something, then it's all fine and I don't care. But this problem was obvious without going to even 50%. Looking at them even keeping the 5DII as is and blowing the 30D up to 50% the 30D still looked better in some of these photos. I know not to blow the 5DII up as at 100% they all look like crap. I'm assuming that even printing these at 8x10 they'd be "off."

but do you know anything about what the incamera settings were? Without such info its hard to give an answer.

If you left the picture style to what ever it was on then it might have been set to landscape or something which could explain high saturation in the in-camera processing.

Picture style is always set to normal. I don't like adjusting those much. They were both set to AWB, no noise reduction on either, both on AF or M, and I did ev metering, then did AE lock on what I wanted exposed if I didn't like what the cameras were doing.

With the 30D i'm not afraid to shoot at 3200 ISO, I can get basically noise free shots, by how I exposure the images. But with working the 5DII the same way they're full of noise. I know this camera will meter differently, and expose differently, but this will be a major learning curve!

mmm. unfortunatelly im at a loss. That sounds nothing like what you should get from such a camera. High ISO is where this thing is meant to be king.

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Saying all this if you dont shoot action type shots (and even if you do) you might like the latest rebels. I love mine and happily shoot up to ISO 3200. Il go to 6400 if i need to. However i would love a 5dmkii but il wait a long while before stepping up to FF. Its what i currently plan to do when i eventually get a new body.

The main two reasons for me trying the 5DII was to get ISO 6400 and FF. I didn't really need better IQ, the IQ from the 30D is fine for me. But at ISO 1600 on the 5DII and ISO 3200 on the 30D the 30D shots were better.

Let me see if I can find an image on this computer. I don't think I have any. But I'll look.

Yeah, examples with EXIF info is really needed at this point. Perhaps you have a faulty camera, completely possible. I've owned both cameras you mention, bot hare superb no doubt but the 5DII cleans the ISO clock! The only thing I can maybe think of is you had some EV dialed in accidentally?

What did you do wrong? You deleted the bad pictures instead of posting them... without the bad pictures we're just guessin...

There is something wrong somewhere so please post some pics.

Again... without pictures... can't really tell what is wrong.

But my wild guess is 1. in camera noise reduction. Maybe you have it on for the 30D (not sure if it has one) I never owned a 30D. 2. Picture style settings are set differently.

That'd be my wild guesses.

OK compressed they look totally different then they do full size in photoshop, but I did finally find a couple images. I hope you guys can clear something up that I didn't notice. Or tell me I'm a git (nicely please I'm very tired today ) and that they look ok.

this one is right out of the camera, slightly cropped, no pping at all. I didn't fix anything because I was keeping this one to see the dust that was on the sensor.

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First one and even the second is under exposed and therefore, look more noisy. For # 2, is that 100% crop and for the last one i.e. the one from 30D same question.