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Maggie_B
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Jul 21, 2010 19:48 |  #1

Hi all...looking a little help with an issue I'm having with my 5D underexposing images. I have reset the camera to default including custom functions but I am still having issues. I have attached two shots for examples. Shooting RAW resized and converted only.

First shot taken with 85mm 1.8 @ 2.2 ISO 100 in Aperture Priority giving me a shutter speed of 1/640 - evaluative metering. Histogram pushed to the left.

Second shot taken with 85mm 1.8 @ 2.2 ISO 100 in Aperature Priority with a +1 compensation resulting in a shutter speed of 1/250 sec. - evaluative metering. Histrogram nicely distributed.

To my eye, the shot with no compensation looks very underexposed. I have tried many comparisons with different scenarios but I am getting underexposed shots consistantly.

What am I doing wrong??? Any input is very appreciated!

Mag


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Jul 21, 2010 20:11 |  #2

The first shot does look underexposed, but the second one looks slightly overexposed to me.

It could just be that I'm viewing it on my laptop computer, though.

Like all built in camera meters, the 5D's is a "reflective" meter. It measures the light bouncing off the subject and chooses (or recommends) settings that will make the subject gray, no matter what the actual color/tonality of the subject. That's why compensation is so important, when using any of the automatic modes.

Try using a separate, handheld incidence meter, to measure the light falling onto the subject instead. It's far more consistent and accurate.

Or, if you prefer to learn more about using the reflective meter in the camera, get a copy of "Understanding Exposure" by Brian Peterson and study it.

There's a common practice with Canon cameras, when using their internal meters. It's called "Expose to the Right" and means dial in +1/3 to +2/3 compensation for most uses. There's some good discussion of this on the Luminous-Landscape.com website and elsewhere. But, the general idea is to err toward slight overexposure, if anything, because it's a lot easier to correct and will add less noise at higher ISO.


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Jul 21, 2010 20:57 |  #3

Maggie, a few things to consider:

First is that there is some difference in how "sensitive" cameras are for a scene exposure -- some tend to expose brighter or darker than others and you can see that as over- or under-exposing

Second, and this is important, you need to understand how the camera meter interprets a scene and uses that to set your exposure. The camera has several metering modes and uses that to measure the reflected light and then it interprets that light to be the tonal equivalent of "medium gray" and uses that interpretation to set the exposure. This is important, because even with the Evaluative Exposure mode the meter gives preference to the center of the image.

Now, if you look at the center of your image, you will note that it's occupied with a combination of blue sky and white, both of which are brighter than "medium gray". But the camera meter doesn't know that and so when the readding is done it interprets that center portion as the part of the image that should appear as gray and sets the adjustment accordingly so that, as you've seen, the image becomes more or less of a stop underexposed.

You can see this all the time by shooting say a bright sky or white snow. Look at the shots and they will be underexposed because of this. It's the way on-camera meters look. Like I say, some cameras have variations in sensitivity so some may seem to "compensate" for this better, but it still is a factor.

Now, as you've seen, when you are in P, Av or Tv using Exposure Compesation to adjust for this. You may be able to spot this when metering and "fix" it on the fly or, in the digital world, we have chimping which as you can see lets you spot a problem like this. But be aware that if you use EC in P, Av or Tv the camera will shift metering/exposure as you change the view but will not change the EC. The only way to confidently use the EC with those modes is to also learn how to use the Exposure Lock function when you need to or to be ready to change your EC on the fly. For example, with that scene if you metered on the center and adjusted it with EC then decided to reframe the shot so that the center of the book was off to the side and you were centered on the darker edge of the book, the meter would re-read and actually raise your "base" exposure but keep the EC set where you put it, so that in likelihood your image would now come out say a stop over-exposed! The two ways of dealing with that are to either press and hold the EC button before recomposing, or recompose then readjust your EC to, say the center.

Of course, I encourage people to also learn to shoot in Manual so that you take control of the exposure -- it is a very nice mode for a lot of shooting but you still need to learn to handle it in other modes as well.


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Jul 22, 2010 07:56 |  #4

Thanks Alan and Tony for the great information! I guess I will have to chimp and compensate with the 5D and practice shooting manual more often. I was just surprised since my 50D gives good exposures most of the time without any compensation.

I will go check out the articles on luminous landscape about exposing to the right !

Thanks again,
Mag




  
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