Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Community Talk, Chatter & Stuff General Photography Talk 
Thread started 24 Jul 2010 (Saturday) 11:59
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Pekka Luukkola's "Rowing" series: how does he do it?

 
cfibanez
Senior Member
Avatar
859 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Aug 2008
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
     
Jul 24, 2010 11:59 |  #1

Last week I saw Pekka Luukkola's photo exhibit at Retretti, Finland, and was completely taken by the beauty of his work. Several of his nordic dusk landscapes featuring fire, such as the two shown here below from the "Rowing" series, are truly amazing (IMHO). The human presence in nature made evident with such elegance and subtlety.

"Rowing I":
http://zephyr.cmb.ki.s​e/POTN/Rowing_I.png (external link)

"Rowing II":
http://zephyr.cmb.ki.s​e/POTN/Rowing_II.png (external link)

How does he do it? Pekka Luukkola's website (HERE (external link)) is not very informative. A piece of text in the exhibit explained that he makes all images from one single shot, without any image processing, but after a lot of planning. The fire patterns seen on the "Rowing" images come from torches attached to the end of the oars of a rowing boat. A single shot is taken at very slow shutter speed. No trace of the boat or any disturbance of the water surface can be seen. Remarkably, however, perfect relexions of the fire on the water surface are preserved. It'd be very nice to hear from anyone familiar with the work of this photographer or else other POTN members with educated guesses as to how this amazing effect is being achieved.

Mod edit: If you want to show images that you haven't personally shot, or other material, just post a link to it as there are © issues?


5D4 | 7D2 | 11-24/4.0 L | 16-35/2.8 L III | 24/1.4 L II | 24-105/4.0 L IS | 40/2.8 STM | 85/1.2 L II | 100/2.8 L macro IS | 70-200/2.8 L IS II | 100-400 L IS II | 400/4.0 DO L II | 580EXII | EF 1.4x III | Gitzo monopod GM2541 | Gitzo tripod GT2541 | Really Right Stuff ball head & plates | B+W & Singh-Ray filters

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
mpphotography
Member
101 posts
Joined Jul 2010
     
Jul 24, 2010 14:04 |  #2

I have no knowledge of this artist, but I would assume it's a super long exposure with perhaps a polarizing filter for the water.

btw, as I understand it, posting images that are not your own is prohibited, perhaps just leave the link in?


http://mpaulphotograph​y.wordpress.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Karl ­ Johnston
Cream of the Crop
9,334 posts
Likes: 5
Joined Jul 2008
     
Jul 24, 2010 15:16 |  #3
bannedPermanent ban

Light painting (external link)


Adventurous Photographer, Writer (external link) & Wedding Photographer (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Karl ­ Johnston
Cream of the Crop
9,334 posts
Likes: 5
Joined Jul 2008
     
Jul 24, 2010 18:32 |  #4
bannedPermanent ban

Or, if it's the same Pekka who owns this BBS..you could just PM him.

They're both from the same area...and I've never met anyone with such a unique name. Unless "pekka" in finland is what "fred" is to north america, that is.


Adventurous Photographer, Writer (external link) & Wedding Photographer (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Thalagyrt
D'OH. I need to wake up some more.
Avatar
4,818 posts
Joined Jan 2009
Location: Denver, CO
     
Jul 24, 2010 21:45 |  #5

Karl Johnston wrote in post #10596710 (external link)
Or, if it's the same Pekka who owns this BBS..you could just PM him.

They're both from the same area...and I've never met anyone with such a unique name. Unless "pekka" in finland is what "fred" is to north america, that is.

Nope, not the same Pekka, and I'm pretty sure you're correct about Pekka:Finland::Fred:No​rth America. I remember reading about that a while ago, though I'm not sure if the reasoning I read is entirely correct. It is a very common name though, to the point that some foreigners use it as a racial slur. :eek:




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PhotosGuy
Cream of the Crop, R.I.P.
Avatar
75,941 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 2610
Joined Feb 2004
Location: Middle of Michigan
     
Jul 25, 2010 09:40 |  #6

No trace of the boat or any disturbance of the water surface can be seen. Remarkably, however, perfect relexions of the fire on the water surface are preserved.

These look like simple time exposures. They will not show the boat & the water movement will be smoothed out over time.


FrankC - 20D, RAW, Manual everything...
Classic Carz, Racing, Air Show, Flowers.
Find the light... A few Car Lighting Tips, and MOVE YOUR FEET!
Have you thought about making your own book? // Need an exposure crutch?
New Image Size Limits: Image must not exceed 1600 pixels on any side.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
jeyaganesh
Senior Member
Avatar
439 posts
Joined Nov 2008
     
Aug 11, 2010 07:14 as a reply to  @ PhotosGuy's post |  #7

I saw a similar beautiful, black and white boat trail picture on flickr (http://bighugelabs.com …?id=4305808399&​size=large (external link)). It was taken with 200 seconds exposure. Worth to see.:D


Jay. Flickr (external link) 500px (external link) Canon EOS 5D Mark III, Canon AE-1 Program, EF 135mm f/2.0 L, EF 35mm f/1.4 L, EF 17-40mm f/4.0 L. (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
neilwood32
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,231 posts
Likes: 5
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Sitting atop the castle, Edinburgh, Scotland
     
Aug 11, 2010 07:28 |  #8

Simple long exposure.

The ripples from the boat smooth out over time - giving the glass like appearance however the light trails from the oars are captured continually by the sensor.

Imagine the sensor as a series of pots. Each pot starts empty and when filled (exposed) they contain the amount of light captured. The ones from the water receive very limited amounts of light during the exposure hence any change will be small. The ones showing the light trail receive a larger amount of light therefore show larger changes.

It is the exact same thing that allows capturing of light trails from cars, extremely flat lakes in landscapes etc.


Having a camera makes you no more a photographer than having a hammer and some nails makes you a carpenter - Claude Adams
Keep calm and carry a camera!
My Gear

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Digital_zen
Senior Member
Avatar
390 posts
Joined Jul 2009
Location: Northeast Georgia, U.S.
     
Aug 11, 2010 10:34 |  #9

It helps if you wrap everything in black gaffers tape, or spray paint everything flat black and wear black clothing. This way anything that you don't want showing up as trails will record as so severely underexposed as to leave a clear view of the parts of the scene which you want to show through.


You will find no more zen at the top of a mountain, than the zen that you bring there with you.

~zen proverb~

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
primoz
POTN Sports Photographer of the year 2005
Avatar
2,532 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Dec 2004
Location: Anywhere where ski World cup makes its stop
     
Aug 12, 2010 00:52 |  #10

Photo by itself is easy one to do. Just long exposure (considering path length and rowing speed I would say something around 5+ minutes). What is more interesting is how he managed fire on boat and paddles. Doing this with lights (batteries, led lights etc.) is easy, but flame is different thing. And I guess flame is main thing which makes these photos so special.


PhotoSI (external link) | Latest sport photos (external link)http://www.photo.si (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
itzcryptic
Goldmember
1,174 posts
Joined Sep 2006
Location: Cincinnati
     
Aug 12, 2010 09:11 |  #11

primoz wrote in post #10706056 (external link)
Photo by itself is easy one to do. Just long exposure (considering path length and rowing speed I would say something around 5+ minutes). What is more interesting is how he managed fire on boat and paddles. Doing this with lights (batteries, led lights etc.) is easy, but flame is different thing. And I guess flame is main thing which makes these photos so special.

I believe a flashlight is called a torch in places other than the US.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
neilwood32
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,231 posts
Likes: 5
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Sitting atop the castle, Edinburgh, Scotland
     
Aug 12, 2010 11:34 |  #12

If you read the OP's post he clearly states fire, so Primoz's comment still stands.

An electrical torch (or flashlight) would be nothing out of the ordinary (and would make for smoother trails) however the fire makes the trails uneven and unusual.


Having a camera makes you no more a photographer than having a hammer and some nails makes you a carpenter - Claude Adams
Keep calm and carry a camera!
My Gear

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
LiberationFrequency
Goldmember
1,334 posts
Joined Jun 2010
Location: Montreal, QC
     
Aug 12, 2010 11:37 |  #13

Or for no water ripples he could just take pictures before, and after the race from the same spot and PS the smoothness in. Although, yes, over time the smoothness will naturally come back.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
New ­ to ­ Canon
Junior Member
27 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Apr 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada
     
Aug 12, 2010 21:34 |  #14

For a long exposure in dusk / dark conditions, would it be expected to have some hot pixels that would need to be touched up, or is top end equipment generally free of this? I have a 50D and I get a few hot pixels on long exposures at night (e.g., astro or fireworks)

Second, for the two examples given in the original post, I would guess the ambient light is close to the darker end of twilight (perhaps someone more experienced could confirm; when I have done ~30s exposures at early twilight, the resulting image looks like daylight.) If these were indeed taken at late twilight, you'd have to make sure there are no bright stars or planets in the sky that will appear as streaks in the image, or you'd need to edit them out as well. The conditions for the second link, however, are cloudy so this problem is avoided...

Neat stuff.


-- I have emerged from a time capsule, 35mm film camera in hand, and accept it is high time to go digital

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
jetcode
Cream of the Crop
6,235 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Jul 2009
Location: West Marin
     
Aug 12, 2010 21:43 |  #15
bannedPermanently

Judging by the quality of light I am assuming the ends of the oars have lit torches on them. The quality of light is flame like.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

5,789 views & 0 likes for this thread, 15 members have posted to it.
Pekka Luukkola's "Rowing" series: how does he do it?
FORUMS Community Talk, Chatter & Stuff General Photography Talk 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is Niagara Wedding Photographer
1323 guests, 127 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.