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Aug 10, 2005 04:07 as a reply to  @ post 706351 |  #16

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I have 2 1 GB Sandisk Ultra II and 2 512 MB Sandisk Ultra II. I have been thinking of more storage as I find myself full lots and have to stop and reload or download. Think I might pick one of these up.

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Rklepper - You can buy a little VOSONIC VP 2160 / 40 GB portable storage phototainer for 200 € or $. I bought mine for 199 €.
Then you have a 40 GB storage device and never have to worry about storage capacity again.
And you get a 2.0 USB transfer speed to your PC with it.
Don't forget that you even can download several other cards to it like CF, SD, MD etc...




  
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Aug 10, 2005 04:36 |  #17

I use two 1GB Microdrives. One because I had it with my old camera (at the time it was the best you could get) and the secind because it was oart if the offer when I git the 350D.
Never had a single problem with either. Even when shooting continuous etc. I'm sure the faster cards would help write down the sequences, but it has never *felt* slow to me.
And I have a P2000 to do just what Salleke describes, and also review the shots. No need to get extra cards with a P2000 handy to offload them!


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Aug 10, 2005 05:21 |  #18

I have one 2GB Hitachi that I only use in the XT, it's too slow in the 20D that I use most for bursts with several 80x CFs. But since the XT is mainly reserved to more "meditated" shots, it does not bother me. Also, I shoot RAW+JPG L so I fill up the XT buffer very easily. Other than that, I've nothing against it. Works fine.




  
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Aug 10, 2005 16:16 |  #19

Can't use them above a certain altitude (is it 10,000 feet?) due to the bernulli priciple or some such. Basically the air is to thin to "float" the physical disk and it contacts the head. Other then that A+




  
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Aug 10, 2005 16:27 as a reply to  @ R32Bum's post |  #20

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Can't use them above a certain altitude (is it 10,000 feet?) due to the bernulli priciple or some such. Basically the air is to thin to "float" the physical disk and it contacts the head. Other then that A+

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Aug 10, 2005 16:30 |  #21

Its in the documentation that came with my 4g microdrive, I am sure I don't have it but I can look




  
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R32Bum wrote:
Can't use them above a certain altitude (is it 10,000 feet?) due to the bernulli priciple or some such. Basically the air is to thin to "float" the physical disk and it contacts the head. Other then that A+

Id like a link to that too...


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Aug 10, 2005 21:36 |  #23

Bernoulli's Principle deals with what happens to objects when there is a difference in pressure. This is what happens when your shower curtain is pulled inward when the shower is first turned on. The sudden pressure drop inside the shower causes the curtain to be drawn inward. Even at 10,000 feet the pressure inside and outside of the disk should be the same.


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Aug 10, 2005 21:45 |  #24

Hitachi has a $20 rebate on the 2GB drive:
http://www.hitachigst.​com …5112b6934ab937c​27aac4f0a0 (external link)


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Aug 11, 2005 11:44 as a reply to  @ rklepper's post |  #25

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Bernoulli's Principle deals with what happens to objects when there is a difference in pressure. This is what happens when your shower curtain is pulled inward when the shower is first turned on. The sudden pressure drop inside the shower causes the curtain to be drawn inward. Even at 10,000 feet the pressure inside and outside of the disk should be the same.

I was under the impression (mistaken I guess) that Bernulis principle dealt with differences in air speed causing lift, such as when you blow across a sheet of paper and it lifts up. At 10,000+ feet the air isnt dense enoughto keep the drive floating. I will continue to try and find this




  
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Aug 11, 2005 11:48 |  #26

Here you go guys, taken from here
http://www.steves-digicams.com/microdriv​e.html (external link)

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Using the Microdrive Above 10,000 FT
The following came directly from IBM Support in answer to a user who was thinking about using the microdrive on a vacation in Napal:
The Microdrive does need "AIR" to float the heads and typically above 10,000 ft the mass of the air is too low and the drive requires a pressurized environment similar to an aircraft or spacecraft. At high altitude the air bearings begin to loose support from the air molecules needed to provide the "air bearing" for the Negative Air Bearing Surface (NABS) design of the head. If this "air bearing" is removed or lowered (as is the case with low density air at high altitudes) the head damages the media and you could have loss of data. The drive is vented to maintain equal pressure inside and outside to provide the air and to maintain the same pressure. This eliminates the need for sealed and rigid covers that can tolerate pressure differences.
The OEM Functional specification defines the warranty range for operating altitude as 3,000 M or 9,000 ft (3ft/M). If the customer is mountain climbing with a GPS or digital camera above 9,000 ft the drive might have problems. (Mt Fuji ~ +13,000ft, Mt Raineer ~ +14,000 ft). Please note, this is the operating environment. Non operation at high altitudes, including vacuum, have no ill effects on the microdrive. Within passenger aircraft, the cabin is pressurized to 9-10,000 feet hence the drive would experience no difficulty operating in an aircraft cruising at 35-45,000 ft !




  
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Aug 11, 2005 11:54 as a reply to  @ R32Bum's post |  #27

No you were not mistaken. The differences in air speed cause a difference in air pressure. It is the difference in air pressure that causes the lift.

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I was under the impression (mistaken I guess) that Bernulis principle dealt with differences in air speed causing lift, such as when you blow across a sheet of paper and it lifts up. At 10,000+ feet the air isnt dense enoughto keep the drive floating. I will continue to try and find this


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Aug 11, 2005 12:02 |  #28

It looks like the working of the drive is more intricate than just a regular hard drive. It also has to be something aside from pressure that keeps the disk "afloat". Interesting as it sounds like the physical density of the air is somehow counterbalancing some pressure inside the drive and at higher altitudes the inernal pressue exceeds the external pressure. Now I have gone and done it, piqued my curiousity. Now I will get nothing done this afternoon.


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Aug 11, 2005 13:06 |  #29

Actually, these, like other HDDs do have a pressure-relief to the atmosphere. But the smaller disks and slower speeds don't generate as much air flow to help lift the small heads as larger platters at greater linear speeds (because greater radius) can on the larger heads possible in 2.5 and 3.5" drives. Hitachi's cited altitude range in this white paper (external link) (p. 30) is -300 to 3048 m.


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WOW! I really didnt think about that... Thank you for the heads up! If i even take my camera up to the mountains past 7,000 feet ill be sure to use my Solid State Cards... (and make sure i fill up my 4 giger before i hit 9,000 feet!! =)

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