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Jul 29, 2010 22:59 |  #1

IS helps you achieve lower shutter speeds while hand holding correct? In sports you will be shooting with high shutter speeds right? So is IS needed or used in Sports photography. Sorry for such a noob question, not a sports photographer, but looking for my next lens, and thinking about 70-200 f/2.8 and contemplating IS versus non IS. I'm attending Uni soon so need to save all the money I can. I know 70-200 can be a bit short for sports, not buying this lens for sports i need a telephoto, and was just wondering in regards to this lens and sports. Thanks!


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Jul 29, 2010 23:05 |  #2

I think you will find most will not use IS. I have a 70-200 f/2.8l IS and found I had more out of focus pictures with IS on, than without. The IS over the non IS I believe has weather sealing. A mute point if you don't have a body with equally good weather sealing

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Jul 29, 2010 23:11 |  #3

bjoynes wrote in post #10628858 (external link)
I think you will find most will not use IS.

Most definitely.
My 70-200/2.8 and 300/2.8 are both non IS.
I specifically bought non IS lenses because I don't use it.
My 100-400 has the IS switch taped over so that it doesn't get switched on.
I know quite few others who do this as well with their various IS lenses.


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Jul 30, 2010 08:29 |  #4

My 70-200/2.8 is non-is, but 300/2.8 and 500/4 are both IS. Simply, you can't get non-IS version of any of those two lenses. If I could, they would be without IS too, especially considering I had IS turned on maybe 5 times in my life. Otherwise switch is taped over, so it doesn't turn on accidentally.
So if your primary shooting is sport, then save those few $100 and get non-is lens. Except for very few occasions, IS is not worth getting it. And for those few occasions, you can easily do without it too.


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Jul 30, 2010 09:02 |  #5

philwillmedia wrote in post #10628889 (external link)
Most definitely.
IS switch taped over so that it doesn't get switched on.

I can see how it may not benefit you but I'm curious, how does it actually detract if it is switched on?


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Jul 30, 2010 09:03 |  #6

No IS here for any sports.


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Jul 30, 2010 11:07 |  #7

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I can see how it may not benefit you but I'm curious, how does it actually detract if it is switched on?

If you think about it logically, the IS is trying to do something it's not designed to do.
The IS detects the movement of the subject and thinks it's movement of the camera body so is constantly trying to compensate for something it can't.
Put simply IS cannot stabilise a moving subject.


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Jul 30, 2010 11:30 |  #8

+5 or whatever. Lost count.

My primary outdoor sports lens is my 70-200 F/4 NON IS.
My primary indoor sports lens is my 100F/2.


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Jul 30, 2010 11:56 |  #9

philwillmedia wrote in post #10631512 (external link)
If you think about it logically, the IS is trying to do something it's not designed to do.
The IS detects the movement of the subject and thinks it's movement of the camera body so is constantly trying to compensate for something it can't.
Put simply IS cannot stabilise a moving subject.

I was completely unaware that IS knew or cared anything about the subject, just the actual physical movement of the camera body. I'm not arguing but I'd like to know more about this. Could you point me to something that documents this?


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Jul 30, 2010 12:00 |  #10

I'm sure you're right - IS (and VR, OS and all the others) detect movement of the camera, not the image. That said, I never had any problems hand-holding lenses up to 500mm in film days when IS didn't exist. It's all in the technique.


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Jul 30, 2010 12:10 |  #11

College sports account for almost 50% of what I do.

IS does nothing for you in sports. Typically you're shooting shutter speed over 500, so camera shake is not an issue and IS doesn't do anything against motion blur caused by moving subjects.


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Jul 30, 2010 12:44 |  #12

philwillmedia wrote in post #10631512 (external link)
If you think about it logically, the IS is trying to do something it's not designed to do.
The IS detects the movement of the subject and thinks it's movement of the camera body so is constantly trying to compensate for something it can't.
Put simply IS cannot stabilise a moving subject.

IS systems do not, cannot, and are not designed to compensate for a moving subject. They're a gyroscopic mount in the lens that detects motion imparted to the unit and attempts to cancel it out by shifting the element(s) of the lens to dampen the motion.

Frame a stationary object at, say, 400mm on your 1-4; notice how there is some "sway" as you try to steady the lens. Now, give a half press of the shutter button and wait a couple of seconds; notice how the image doesn't bob around as much. That is all IS does, regardless of your subject's motion or lack thereof.

I think the Mode 2 IS concept is a confusing one for folks, since it's recommended for panning on moving subjects. But it is still irrelevant to the subject itself; Mode 2 simply disables the IS system from caring about horizontal movement of the lens so that it doesn't try and correct for left/right panning.

And to the OP: Needed? I hardly think one could claim it was *needed*, as a blanket statement. If you're shooting at the higher shutter speeds (1/640 on up) then it's likely not doing too much for a shooter with a solid stance and technique. *I* won't buy a lens without IS because I don't have the fine motor control to truly hold one of those steady, so I "need" IS. Plus, when shooting some action, I like to pan and drop the shutter speed fairly low (prop planes, 1/200s @ 400mm, for example). IS makes that much easier.


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Jul 30, 2010 12:53 |  #13

I turn IS off whenever I am shooting sports.




  
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Jul 30, 2010 13:25 |  #14

Snydremark wrote in post #10632049 (external link)
IS systems do not, cannot, and are not designed to compensate for a moving subject. They're a gyroscopic mount in the lens that detects motion imparted to the unit and attempts to cancel it out by shifting the element(s) of the lens to dampen the motion.

This is exactly what I thought originally. So what then is the point of turning it off? Sure, it may not help at high shutter speeds but I can't see why it would hurt either.


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Jul 30, 2010 13:48 |  #15

mensur wrote in post #10632247 (external link)
This is exactly what I thought originally. So what then is the point of turning it off? Sure, it may not help at high shutter speeds but I can't see why it would hurt either.

Well, it does drain more battery power than when it's off...Plus, there is usually a small "jump" as the gyro settles the lens, which could potentially blur the first shot you take. So, if shooting sports, where you have to just be ready to roll (so to speak), you don't want to have to take the half a second or so for IS to spin up before snapping your picture.


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