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Aug 01, 2010 13:20 |  #31

You're demands are unreasonable. You want a fast 50 that is incredibly sharp wide open while still providing dreamy bokeh, but will also be sharp closed down and at infinity, etc. Well, who doesn't. :) You'll find that all 50s have their detriments and weaknesses so you either have to settle or choose a selection of lenses so you can cover your wants. I find that the Sigmalux is sharper than the ZE 1.4 wide open through 2.8 and may even have better contrast too, especially when near mfd.I think you'll find that the 50L won't be acceptably sharp until past f2 and still won't compare to sharpness of the Zeiss 50MP. The 50MP does sound like the best choice as it seems you primarily want sharpness or at least that's why you so readily dismiss other lenses.




  
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Aug 01, 2010 13:27 |  #32

mcluckie wrote in post #10640998 (external link)
I might try the Sigma (I thought I'd gag at the idea) with an option to return. At least as a curiosity for the price.

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I can't really put a sigma in my bag. this morning, I'm back to either the mp or 1.2L.

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The 50MP does sound like the best choice as it seems you primarily want sharpness or at least that's why you so readily dismiss other lenses.

Especially considering what seems to be a brand aversion or prejudice... but that's cool with me, we all have our favorite brands for different reasons! :)


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Aug 01, 2010 13:51 |  #33

You're only choice is the Leica-M 50mm f/1.4 Summilux :D on a Sony NEX or any m4/3rds camera


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Aug 02, 2010 13:01 |  #34

You're demands are unreasonable.

But they put a man on the moon!!

Yeah, I know. It's the search for the holy grail. Whatever I wrote yesterday about leaning toward the 1.2L AM is changing. I already had one and wasn't thrilled with backfocus issues (but sure was fun to bring out at night and shoot things I could't see!)-- I'll wait until i read about a definative improvement wide open.

Since none of the viable 1.4's are great wide open, and that my bag is full of Zeiss primes -- today I lean toward the 50 MP. As long as f2 is like f2 on the 100 MP, I'll be happy. If only I was a rich man -- a 1.2L for 1.2 to f2, then the 50MP for f2>.

Maybe BOTH the 1.2L and the 50MP. Right...


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Aug 02, 2010 14:03 |  #35

I have the Canon EF 50 f/1.4 and am very happy with it. Some reasons why...

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Aug 02, 2010 15:07 |  #36

I have the Canon EF 50 f/1.4 and am very happy with it. Some reasons why...

Nice shots. But you're also only using the center on a crop body. I think you'll find the edges/corners poor on a ff.

I really dumped that lens because of the MF feel. horrible, so I got the ZE 1.4. (I had the 1.2L prior to the Canon 1.4 -- just didn't seem worth the money. The 50 1.4 isn't much worse than the 1.4 Distagon.


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Aug 02, 2010 15:22 as a reply to  @ mcluckie's post |  #37

I tried a Sigma before and has focus issue. I end up getting the Canon. Although the focus is spot on, the bokeh is not as nice. Since you have a 5D II which has micro adjustment, I will go for the Sigma if you need AF. If you are ok with MF, then I would go for Zeiss. Although I haven't use Zeiss lens before, but I sort of concluded that it will give a more 3D image with excellent bokeh based on many different reviews and test shots.


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Aug 03, 2010 05:46 |  #38

I'm edging towards the 50 MP myself but...rumors being rumors I hear that Canon may unveil the 50mm 1.4L at Photokina this year. Maybe wait till September and find out?


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Aug 03, 2010 06:56 |  #39

That could be worth it. But it won't be an L -- Canon has no other duped focal length L lenses -- except for a TS-e. I'm stuck here until next jan or Feb anyway, but Zeiss rocks hard. I don't think I need AF on a 50 -- or really any prime. I can handle one ring!


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Aug 05, 2010 15:31 |  #40

My main use of a 50 prime is low light, used wide open and up to 15 or 20 ft. Most of my primes are for this. I don't care about f4 or infinity focus. I have that covered in Zeiss (Contax 24-85) already, but at f4. As much as I'd like to say the 50 MP is it, I'm leaning to the newer 1.2L production. Maybe both; after all, they are really for different strokes. Maybe neither; I'm collecting funds for another year on the silk road.

I've spent the last few weeks pouring over alt glass options. The Summilux seems to be the best -- and actually the stop-down aperture doesn't seem troublesome if I leave the lens at 1.4 anyway!


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Sep 10, 2010 16:26 |  #41

If anyones still here, or cares, I gave up on a fast 50. I really wanted one to work out, but the 50L is too expensive for what it is and where it's good, and the Zeiss 50 Makro didn't suit me. I don't need another macro, and I don't need a slow 50, even though f2 isn't that bad. I sold my 50 Distagon on eBay last week.

So I did lots more looking and found me a Rokkor 58mm 1.2 that I'm working on converting. Since my intent is to use it wide open (only), I don't care about stop-down metering. To be a little more evenly-spaced, I sold my 28 Distagon to a friend today, and I ordered the 35 ZE (hasn't come yet, but high expectations).

I've taken this year off from serious shooting while I took care of some medical and ex-wife issues, so I've had nothing to do but contemplate and re-tool my gear. Sounds like more fun than it was.


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Sep 10, 2010 16:42 |  #42

Does 55mm count? If so, then PENTAX 55mm f/1.4 !!

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Sep 10, 2010 16:47 |  #43

mcluckie wrote in post #10886701 (external link)
If anyones still here, or cares, I gave up on a fast 50. I really wanted one to work out, but the 50L is too expensive for what it is and where it's good, and the Zeiss 50 Makro didn't suit me. I don't need another macro, and I don't need a slow 50, even though f2 isn't that bad. I sold my 50 Distagon on eBay last week.

So I did lots more looking and found me a Rokkor 58mm 1.2 that I'm working on converting. Since my intent is to use it wide open (only), I don't care about stop-down metering. To be a little more evenly-spaced, I sold my 28 Distagon to a friend today, and I ordered the 35 ZE (hasn't come yet, but high expectations).

I've taken this year off from serious shooting while I took care of some medical and ex-wife issues, so I've had nothing to do but contemplate and re-tool my gear. Sounds like more fun than it was.

The Rokkor will be my next lens purchase, I have a AF confirm chip waiting for it:smile:


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Sep 10, 2010 17:15 |  #44

Does 55mm count? If so, then PENTAX 55mm f/1.4 !!

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Sep 10, 2010 18:03 as a reply to  @ mcluckie's post |  #45

I just finished up several weeks (evenings) of testing 3 50mm lenses; Sigma 50 f/1.4, Zeiss 50 f/1.4 and Zeiss 50 f/2 MP. I shot the same scene with each lens on both my 5D and 1D IIn bodies. I also shot the 24-70 and Tamron 28-75 at 50mm to compare them to the primes. After a bunch of testing, here is my summary of the 50's.

Sigma 50 f/1.4 - Sharp enough wide open in the center. Corners were noticeably soft. Bokeh was buttery smooth. AF accuracy was questionable. Sometimes it was spot on, other times it was off. Manual Focus was gritty and somewhat sloppy. At f/2, the sharpness & contrast came up but corners were not "fixed" yet. Bokeh at f/2 was good but not as thrilling as f/1.4 At f/8, the corners remained soft. There was some focus shift, esp. between f/2 and f/2.8. The focus plane shifted away from the camera. For me this lens is one to shoot at f/1.4 or f/2.

Zeiss 50 f/1.4 - Dreamy & lacking contrast at f/1.4 and the bokeh wide open was annoying. At f/2 it is a different lens. It was contrasty, and sharp. Sharpness equalled the Sigma at f/2. Bokeh equalled the Sigma. Corners were sharper and colors were better (slightly). At f/2.8 through f/8, the Zeiss was sharper than the Sigma and the corners were noticeably sharper. The Zeiss suffered from some pretty large focus shift from f/2 thorough f/2.8. If you want close up shots at f/2.8 to be in focus, you need to focus a bit ahead of the target. Overall, for f/2 through f/8 use, the Zeiss was the one to have.

Zeiss 50 f/2 - Center sharpness is great at f/2. Corners are dark and somewhat soft. Bokeh is pleasingly smooth. f/2.8 Cleans up the corners a bit but they are still soft. By f/8 the lens is outstanding across the field. Sharpness is top-notch both close up and at infinity. Floating elements prevent the focus shift that the other fast 50's had so getting sharp pics at 3' is much easier. The big drawback to this lens, other than price, is the vignyetting at f/2 and the somewhat soft corners at f/2. At f/2.8, the lens is just plain sweet.

All there primes were better than the zooms at 50mm. Corners were equal or better. Contrast was equal or better. Color was equal or slightly better.


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