6" on camera beauty dish

Anyone use this?

http://www.adorama.com​/FPQRA.html

Ummm no. While it does make your light source larger, it's still pathetically small compared to a good bounce off a wall or ceiling. As it's mounted on your flash, it still throws light straight-on to your subject, which is not flattering light. It says you can bounce with this attached, but it'll do nothing but rob you of power like CRAZY in a bounce situation. Your recycle time will increase and your batteries will die quickly. It will also be almost useless outdoors in daylight unless your subject is very close to you.

If you are using it off-camera, then there are other, much better choices for modifiers to give you better light.

The only situation I can see this being useful (and flattering) is using it as a very light fill on-camera, if your main light source(s) are coming from different angles.

Makes us much sense as a 6" umbrella... Only thing that would be good for is for a xlarge drink.

More gimmicky ways to take your money. The increase in the size of the light source is almost insignificant.

MR do little wrote in post #10640243
Makes us much sense as a 6" umbrella... Only thing that would be good for is for a xlarge drink.

Yep, you know what your talking about...
A shot from Malows Flikr

picturecrazy wrote in post #10640221
Snip...

I agree, walls or ceiling can be as soft or softer than any large sofbox etc, but that assumes you have a wall or ceiling to bounce off of, or they haven't painted it a funky colour.

Strobella would be much better than this 6" beauty dish, and because you can get it so close, you can get a soft light that also falls off quickly, which basically give you a very similar effect to a 16" beauty dish, all for only about £10

rhys216 wrote in post #10640965
Yep, you know what your talking about...

Im sorry sonny but you missed the part where i said it make sense,which obviously refers to the fact it makes no sense to me.

If you think that adding a party umbrella to your frontal flash on camera is the way to go, be my guest. Still its no more useful then a white whale tale or whatever name you want to give the stuff you put in front of your flash to diffuse and reduce the output. Its simply a diffusion material tossed in front of the flash.

The size is still the same...dosent matter if its a mini beauty dish or miniscrim, or a mini umbrella or whatever.

Again to me is makes no sense diffusing frontal flash on camera with a tiny umbrella.

rhys216 wrote in post #10641054
Strobella would be much better than this 6" beauty dish, and because you can get it so close, you can get a soft light that also falls off quickly, which basically give you a very similar effect to a 16" beauty dish, all for only about £10

The inverse square law isnt a feature of the party umbrella its how light works in general.

So let me get this straight you get a similar light to that of a 16" beauty dish becasue you can get it so close with a ? LOL you need to be very close to make a difference, for human size subjects the size is tiny not matter how you slice or dice it.

Sure you can press that lens up in the face of your subject and use UWA lens to get a halfbody shot if thats your thing.

And you know what your talking about ?

I have to Lol when someone doesn't know what they are talking about, and purposely remain ignorant to avoid admitting they don't know it all.
It's going to be a real ego buster when the penny drops...

For reference, the strobella is a whopping 11 inches.

Note:
Let me know when you have finished the Ninja edits and it's safe to reply...

rhys216 wrote in post #10641328
I have to Lol when someone doesn't know what they are talking about, and purposely remain ignorant to avoid admitting they don't know it all.
It's going to be a real ego buster when the penny drops...

For reference, the strobella is a whopping 11 inches.

Let me know when you have finished the Ninja edits and it's safe to reply...

HAHA seriously ?

So first thing first shall we ?

I was refering to 6" umbrellas being as useful as the 6" beauty dish. Wich is as useful as any diffusion you put in front of that flash. So why dosent they make any sense to use ? (compared to a lid or can you have in your kitchen)

Because it really dosent matter what shape you make them at this size, they will diffuse the light a little as well as reducing the output (read waste). So using this for human sized subjects the difference will be slim to non used on a on camera flash. Again referring to a 6" modifier.


You come in and claim your 11" umbrella will look like a 16" beauty dish add the fact that i dont know what im talking about.

Now this ignorant comment indicates you never used a 16" BD, you do realize the output of a 16" BD is very different to that of a white shoot thru umbrella ? Or do you claim they look the same because the size relative to the subject is similar due to the fact "you can get so close?"

You let me know when the penny drops.... In fact they will most likely rain so you might have use of that "Whopping" 11" umbrella.

rhys216 wrote in post #10641328
I have to Lol when someone doesn't know what they are talking about, and purposely remain ignorant to avoid admitting they don't know it all.
It's going to be a real ego buster when the penny drops...

For reference, the strobella is a whopping 11 inches.

Note:
Let me know when you have finished the Ninja edits and it's safe to reply...

UMM... I would quit now if I were you... I would check out who you are attacking before getting all high and mighty

MR do little wrote in post #10641322
So let me get this straight you get a similar light to that of a 16" beauty dish becasue you can get it so close with a ? LOL you need to be very close to make a difference, for human size subjects the size is tiny not matter how you slice or dice it.

No, that is just one application of the strobella, as I have said before, it has lot's of creative uses that are mostly bound by the creativity of the photographer.
Also Note that the relative size (area) of the strobella is approximately 43x larger than the flash head of a YN-460II, also note the shoot-through umbrella is very efficient at creating a soft light Vs it's relative size due to how the light bounces from different angles within the umbrella.

MR do little wrote in post #10641322
Sure you can press that lens up in the face of your subject and use UWA lens to get a halfbody shot if thats your thing.

So it can't just be used 'off camera' like an actual beauty dish in this particular application then?
Also not the size (area) of the 16" beauty dish is approximately 2x larger than the strobella, and the strobella can be moved closer in than the beauty dish before it get in the frame.

MR do little wrote in post #10641322
And you know what your talking about ?

As I don't claim to know everything, it's kind of relative, but in this instance I believe I'm higher on the knowledge ladder than you, yes.

MR do little wrote in post #10641389
HAHA seriously ?

So first thing first shall we ?

I was refering to 6" umbrellas.

Oh so you wasn't talking about the Strobella, sorry I take it back then.
Can you please provide a link or name of a 6" umbrella that I can purchase?

J_TULLAR wrote in post #10641449
UMM... I would quit now if I were you... I would check out who you are challenging before getting all high and mighty

Fixed

rhys216 wrote in post #10641452
No, that is just one application of the strobella, as I have said before, it has lot's of creative uses that are mostly bound by the creativity of the photographer.

Wow so you can use it off camera as well ? Please tell me more..

As for what you have said before, i havent read anything you "said" before regarding the strobella or anything else for that matter so you have to forgive me.

rhys216 wrote in post #10641452
Also Note that the relative size (area) of the strobella is approximately 43x larger than the flash head of a YN-460II, also note the shoot-through umbrella is very efficient at creating a soft light Vs it's relative size due to how the light bounces from different angles within the umbrella.

I was talking about the relative size to a human subject...

LOL such a wealth of knowledge, then you also know the problem with a shoot thru umbrella when used in conjuction with speedlights ?

rhys216 wrote in post #10641452
So it can't just be used 'off camera' like an actual beauty dish in this particular application then?
Also not the size (area) of the 16" beauty dish is approximately 2x larger than the strobella, and the strobella can be moved closer in than the beauty dish before it get in the frame.

As you so amazingly discovered it apparently can!!

So with this logic you still thinks a shoot thru umbrella will produce a similar light to that of a beauty dish due to the simple fact you move it closer to the subject ?

Got it sensei!

rhys216 wrote in post #10641452
As I don't claim to know everything, it's kind of relative, but in this instance I believe I'm higher on the knowledge ladder than you, yes.

Oh but of course you are, your the sensei of umbrellas, im just a tool who dont know what im talking about.