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TMR Design wrote in post #10641570 (external link)
How can I? You've already taken a stand and truly believe that it's worth using that thing-a-ma-jig.

If you talk to the people on this or any other forum that use on camera flash and then consult with working pro's that use on camera flash you'll find few to none that buy into these devices.

I've personally owned and tested many of them and can't find anything that does as good a job as bouncing off a ceiling or wall or carrying a bounce card of some sort. Wether it's 1 cent, 10 dollars or 100 dollars it's just not worth it and every day ebay and other merchants are peddling more of this crap to those that buy into the hype.

Yes bouncing a flash of a ceiling/wall is great, but as I said previously, it's an option as long as the wall/ceiling isn't anything other than white/beige, and that assumes your indoors as well.

While you may have tested 'many' such devices, you haven't tested the strobella.
From Malowz illustration I posted, can you not see the difference in shadows?

If you can't even acknowledge that then I think it's actually you who's already taken a stand and truly believe that it's not worth using that thing-a-ma-jig, as you can't even show enough respect to type it's name.




  
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Aug 01, 2010 12:11 |  #32
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I agree, and from experience that particular bowens adaptor is very useful also.




  
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pnmd wrote in post #10641707 (external link)
I have one. It's small so the quality of light is what you'd expect from a tiny modifier. It's heavy and you'll have to shoot holding it b/c it puts alot strain on the flash head. I used it for a week and the novelty of it wore off, never used it again.

You have a 6" beauty dish, or the imaginary 6" shoot thru umbrella or the marvelous strobella ? :cool:


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rhys216 wrote in post #10641754 (external link)
I agree, and from experience that particular bowens adaptor is very useful also.

Why would you ?

According to you a 11" shoot thru umbrella will give you a similar effect given your close enough to the subject. Surely a shoot thru umbrella is cheaper, lighter and easier.


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MR do little wrote in post #10641691 (external link)
Logical discussion, you have the problem of following the basics logics and laws of light, i dont expect you to have one of your own as flawed as it might be.

In the example illustration I posted, are you shows much softer, yes or no?
Perhaps we should acknowledge the above before we continue any further debate.




  
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Aug 01, 2010 12:17 |  #36

alright MR do little, you've made your point, .. lets move on

OP, i wouldnt do it, it looks cumbersome, and to point of others, for a modifier that small, there are options that cost FAR less to achieve similar affects.. including simply bouncing. albeit, ive never used a BD, my 16 inch is in the mail...


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MR do little wrote in post #10641772 (external link)
Why would you ?

According to you a 11" shoot thru umbrella will give you a similar effect given your close enough to the subject. Surely a shoot thru umbrella is cheaper, lighter and easier.

Because I use a large softbox etc. with the speedlight adaptor.

Edit: In fact I can use pretty much any bowens fit modifier with this adaptor.




  
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Aug 01, 2010 12:19 |  #38
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MR do little wrote in post #10641763 (external link)
You have a 6" beauty dish, or the imaginary 6" shoot thru umbrella or the marvelous strobella ? :cool:

He has the beauty dish from his description of it.




  
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Aug 01, 2010 12:28 |  #39

Looks like it sucks. Looks like a newbie's toy.


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rhys216 wrote in post #10641779 (external link)
In the example illustration I posted, are you shows much softer, yes or no?
Perhaps we should acknowledge the above before we continue any further debate.

So what comparison are you referring to with the 6" umbrella ? I didnt see any or are you still on about the marvelous strobella ?


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Aug 01, 2010 12:31 |  #41

MR do little you've tried your best, some people just won't get what your saying;)

to all those who prefer these smaller options might i suggest you order a few more to give your friends so people will notice how popular they are and therefore must be good


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Fureinku wrote in post #10641792 (external link)
alright MR do little, you've made your point, .. lets move on

So many , could you please clarify which point you are referring to ?:lol:


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^^^
I you can address my last few points first that would be great.
And also why an umbrella with a speedlight is such a sin.




  
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FJ LOVE wrote in post #10641878 (external link)
MR do little you've tried your best, some people just won't get what your saying;)

Thanks

We get it, but I disagree with respect to the strobella...

Edit:
And I disagree having actually tested the product and seen the results. It's also curious that no one has commented on the illustration I posted showing the differences.




  
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rhys216 wrote in post #10641890 (external link)
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I you can address my last few points first that would be great.
And also why an umbrella with a speedlight is such a sin.

But of course your points... hahaha seriously now im just in tears.

No sin, but compared using a softbox on a speedlight its a inneffective way to get a even spread due to the design of the speedlight. Opposed to when you use a shoot thru umbrella on a strobe with reflector.

Now of course if your willing to mod your speedlights, and think its the hottest thing since sliced bread it might not be an issue.


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