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Aug 05, 2010 12:10 |  #1

My Home theatre room has a SonyVW60 which was never calibrated by any meter, only blu-ray disc onscreen.
(btw I'm on my 2nd bulb with about 300 hrs on it.)

Since Oct-2009, when I bought my CanonT1i, I've really taken Photography as another hobby.

I'd like to get a "decent" Calibration system for my Projector and Computer (current is iMac 27" ).
I use Aperture 3 and Adobe CS5 for my Photography stuff.

Looking here, this seems a decent system for my $300-ish budget.
Spyder3 Elite™ (external link)

Display Calibration for Professional Photographers and Studios

Spyder3 Elite™ was designed for the way photographers work, bringing a new level of color control to imaging. This powerful solution gives photographers the tools to trust the colors on the screen, for reliability and consistency on each of their LCD, laptops, and projectors. Award-winning Spyder3 hardware, with innovative new software features, makes this the ultimate solution for any serious photographer.

You asked and we’re delivering some hot new features just for you, with the richest feature set we have ever offered! New 4.0 features include monitor quality analyzer, display graphing compared to sRGB & Adobe RGB, enhanced iterative gray balancing and automated brightness adjustment.

I've read this FAQ, CurtPalme.com Forum Which Meter Is Right for Me? (external link), which ranks the Spyder low.

Spyder meters typically deliver results that are unpredictable. This is true for the Spyder 1, 2, and 3. In tests and discussions with pro calibrators we've found that approximately one third of Spyder units seem to be very accurate, the next third are slightly off, and the last third are considerably more inaccurate. Unfortunately there's no way to know how your Spyder unit rates unless you have a known accurate meter to compare it against. The reason for this disparity in accuracy is that Spyder units are not calibrated at the factory as they come off the assembly line. Therefore most calibration experts do not recommend that Spyder meters be used as you simply don't know what sort of results to expect.

For those that have (or used) the Spyder 3 elite for front projector and computer screen were you satisfied by its ability?
I appreciate your help in me making an informed decision, I know nothing about this but can learn.

Yea, 2 years using my PJ w/o it being "really" calibrated, and never for computer....better late than never.


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Aug 05, 2010 12:28 |  #2

Honestly have never calibrated or owned a projector, but B&H has a few videos of demonstrations by a DataColor rep. Worth viewing.

http://www.video.bhpho​tovideo.com …4e6bbf1bee3836e​657f&rf=bm (external link)


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Aug 05, 2010 13:20 |  #3

Know nothing about projectors either, but according to shootsmarter.com (external link), the ColorMunki is good (and a bit above budget)


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Aug 05, 2010 14:42 as a reply to  @ René Damkot's post |  #4

I just spend 20 minutes on the phone with "Lou", http://www.spectracal.​com/contact.html (external link), he's their "Home Theater Enthusiast Sales" person and very knowledgeable in Projectors/TV/Computer monitors.

He gave me different options with pros/cons with:
X-Rite i1Display 2 Colorimeter, $250 meter + software
http://www.spectracal.​com/i1Display-2.html (external link)

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x-rite DTP-94 , $448 meter + software
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we also talked about the ColorMunki and how it fits in as a calibation device for the meter itself when used with the lower cost eye one D2 ($100 rental/month), due to the iMac has a LED LCD display, the DTP-94 can handle that display type already.
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I've got some more thinking to do.....lots of info he gave me.

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Aug 05, 2010 17:17 |  #5

mtbdudex wrote in post #10668326 (external link)
I just spend 20 minutes on the phone with "Lou", http://www.spectracal.​com/contact.html (external link), he's their "Home Theater Enthusiast Sales" person and very knowledgeable in Projectors/TV/Computer monitors....

...I've got some more thinking to do.....lots of info he gave me.

What a racket that company has going...

You can get a Spyder3 Express puck for $80 and use it with this free software:

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/colorimetre/ind​ex_en.php (external link)

And, there are more places to buy an X-Rite DTP-94 puck.

http://www.integrated-color.com …_Code=Display+C​alibration (external link)


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Aug 05, 2010 18:22 |  #6

mtbdudex wrote in post #10668326 (external link)
I've got some more thinking to do.....lots of info he gave me.

What am I missing?
You mentioned "Projector" in your first post, right?

Of these three, unless I'm mistaking, only the ColorMunki will calibrate a projector.
iOne D2 and DTP-94 are for screen only.


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Aug 07, 2010 05:28 |  #7

René Damkot wrote in post #10669325 (external link)
What am I missing?
You mentioned "Projector" in your first post, right?

Of these three, unless I'm mistaking, only the ColorMunki will calibrate a projector.
iOne D2 and DTP-94 are for screen only.

René;
Speaking with the "Home Theater Enthusiast" person Lou directly at SpectraCal definitely both are also good for front projectors and computer displays.

Also, from the "CurtPalme.com Home Theater Forum" FAQ page I linked to.

The EyeOne Display meter actually comes in two versions: The EyeOne Display 2 and the EyeOne Display LT. These are in fact the same meter. The Display 2 version comes with extra photography software from the manufacturer that is typically of no use to home theater users. Both versions come with software to automatically calibrate PC/Mac displays by creating a custom display response curve used by your video card. For the rest of this article we'll simply refer to this meter as the 'Display 2'.

The Display 2 is a nearly ideal meter for the person who is new to video calibration. It is inexpensive, fast, has excellent low-light capabilities, and is the most accurate of the budget meters. For front projector calibration we recommend using a universal tripod mount to make life easier. In a pinch, painters tape also works to hold the meter to a tripod, but the tripod mount is easier/more flexible.

If you're the type of person that only will only be calibrating your own TV or projector rarely, is on a budget, and doesn't need absolute perfection, this is the meter for you. The results will be better than anything you could achieve using only your eyes and a calibration DVD/Blu-ray.

Unlike the (only slightly) lower priced Spyder meters, the X-Rite Eye One Display 2 is calibrated at the factory as they come off the assembly line. As such, our experience has been that they are all reasonably accurate consistent from unit to unit. This factory calibration most certainly has a lot to do with it.

Those of you that have been doing calibrations for some time will recognize the DTP-94. It's the pre-cursor to the Chroma 5 that was unfortunately pulled off the market a few years ago. It is still available for sale and used by home theater enthusiasts.

Performance wise the DTP-94 sits squarely between the Display 2 and the Chroma 5. It is a fast reading meter that reads well down to fairly low light levels. It reads lower, more accurately, and more consistently than the Display 2 but not quite as well as the Chroma 5.

The DTP-94 is more similar to the Chroma 5 as the Chroma 5 was actually designed from the DTP-94 (the specifications are very similar). Think of the DTP-94 as a budget version of the Chroma 5. It reads nearly as fast but isn't quite as accurate. The easiest way to compare the two meters is to think of the Chroma 5 as the lowest priced professional meter while the DTP-94 is the best performing consumer class colorimeter you can get.

The DTP-94 is temperature compensated.

The DTP-94 was primarily designed for flat panel and CRT displays but it works well with projectors. Heed the same warnings mentioned above in the Display 2 section however about eliminating stray or ambient light.


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Aug 07, 2010 05:29 |  #8

ChasP505 wrote in post #10669044 (external link)
What a racket that company has going...

You can get a Spyder3 Express puck for $80 and use it with this free software:

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/colorimetre/ind​ex_en.php (external link)

And, there are more places to buy an X-Rite DTP-94 puck.

http://www.integrated-color.com …_Code=Display+C​alibration (external link)

Thx for info and links.


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Aug 07, 2010 10:02 as a reply to  @ mtbdudex's post |  #9

Performance wise the DTP-94 sits squarely between the Display 2 and the Chroma 5. It is a fast reading meter that reads well down to fairly low light levels. It reads lower, more accurately, and more consistently than the Display 2 but not quite as well as the Chroma 5.

...the DTP-94 is the best performing consumer class colorimeter you can get.

I agree and it's why I use it. :D


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Aug 07, 2010 13:06 as a reply to  @ ChasP505's post |  #10

I also found his link that gives a hands down easy approach for using ColorHCFR

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Therefore looks like I'm going with the DTP-94 + ColorHCFR, appears to suit both my needs.

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Aug 07, 2010 13:44 as a reply to  @ mtbdudex's post |  #11

"Unlike the (only slightly) lower priced Spyder meters, the X-Rite Eye One Display 2 is calibrated at the factory as they come off the assembly line. As such, our experience has been that they are all reasonably accurate consistent from unit to unit. This factory calibration most certainly has a lot to do with it".

If correct, when are the spyders calibrated? For calibrated they must be, or the whole exercise is pointless.


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Aug 07, 2010 15:26 |  #12

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If correct, when are the spyders calibrated? For calibrated they must be, or the whole exercise is pointless.

Of course, you're not going to accept a statement like this are you Richard? I've viewed videos by both DataColor and X-Rites reps, and they seem to always tip their hat to each other and comment that the competition makes a very decent product.


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Aug 07, 2010 16:47 |  #13

Chas,

You know me too well!

It's just that some products seem to appear more frequently than others here when problems occur. Sending out untested units onto the market would explain why but seems a guaranteed way to go bust.


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Aug 07, 2010 17:32 |  #14

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It's just that some products seem to appear more frequently than others here when problems occur. Sending out untested units onto the market would explain why but seems a guaranteed way to go bust.

Here's my guess and my take on the entire monitor calibration consumer market:

I think that DataColor must batch sample their products for QC, rather than examining each individual widget. I can't see how X-Rite can QC inspect and calibrate every single unit either, but evidently their QC seems to be tighter than DataColor's.

Now regarding the consumer market for monitor caliration devices... I believe that X-Rite's products are mostly purchased by experienced individuals... those with a high technical aptitude or have been around digital photography for a long time. OTOH, Spyder customers are more often first time buyers and they buy a Spyder product because they aren't aware that there are competing products available. "Spyder" has become the generic word for monitor calibration device, just as "Kleenex" is interchangeable with facial tissue. When someone recommends getting a monitor calibration device, they say, "You need to get a Spyder".

Am I delusional, or has 35 years in manufacturing, sales, and marketing taught me anything?


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Dec 17, 2010 20:41 |  #15

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but can someone please share where it is possible to buy a DTP-94 punk now? ICC doesn't seem to sell them anymore, and SpectraCal is going on their usual spiel about how they are the only ones selling it (and they don't seem to sell them standalone too).

Thanks for your help!




  
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