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Aug 08, 2010 18:37 |  #1

Since I usually have 3 computers around the house that are all PC and also have worked in a heavy PC office setting and have always had tons of PC based software, I never entered the Apple vs. PC debate. Conversion would have been just too expensive.

Things change. My house burned this weekend, completely destroying all of my PC, external hard drives, monitors, printers, software, etc. I am now open minded. (BTW, no one was hurt and most of my photography was backed up off site [except 2010 images].)

Convince me of PC or Apple. I am assuming I can contact Adobe and they will allow me to download a new copy of CS5 and Lightroom 3 as I do have order records stored in my Gmail.

Also ... I had a 24" Dell IPS monitor and a cheaper Dell 24 before. What monitors would you recommend.

Also, lost in the fire was my Epson 1400. I had been considering upgrading to a higher end printer (probably still 13" wide). What do you recommend?

I have a lot of things to handle with the fire, but I still would like to make this purchase in the next month, so feedback is appreciated.


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Aug 08, 2010 19:42 |  #2

Sorry about the fire, glad no one was hurt. I'd suggest you visit an Apple store if you can, but really think about why you are considering the switch. Do you have a compelling reason?


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Aug 08, 2010 19:45 |  #3

Tony-S wrote in post #10684535 (external link)
Sorry about the fire, glad no one was hurt. I'd suggest you visit an Apple store if you can, but really think about why you are considering the switch. Do you have a compelling reason?

I second what Tony said. Sorry for the loss (?) of your home. But do yourself a favor. Don't just take our word for PC or MAC. Go and check out the MAC on your own before you decide. Replacing all your stuff with MACs and then not liking it would be a bad thing!!!


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Aug 08, 2010 19:47 |  #4

Sorry to hear about the fire, and the loss of images. It must be horrible.

Go try out an Apple, and decide if they're worth the premium to you. People will say a similarly configured will cost about the same, which is true, but the high end Apple machines are workstations and are higher end that what most people require. In practice a PC costs less.

Personally i'd buy components and make the computer myself, but given all the things you have to do i'd just buy a mid to high end Dell i7. Just make sure it has a decent sized, room to put in hard drives and more RAM later.


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Aug 08, 2010 19:49 |  #5

Thanks guys. My logic is pretty simple: 1) many graphics folks love apple 2) while I know many PC to Mac changers, i don't many of the reverse

The only problems with trying things at an Apple store is that 1) I don't think I will really appreciate the product unless I am really editing an image or doing some workflow and 2) since I don't know the software of the general navigation, I think it will look shiny but feel klunky.

By the way, the primary system that melted was an i7 with 8MB ram and a 750 hard drive

I definitely will do my homework, but there is a lot of experience at POTN, so want to tap it.


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Aug 08, 2010 19:52 |  #6

I don't think either is compelling enough for a switch.


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Aug 08, 2010 20:00 |  #7

Tony-S wrote in post #10684589 (external link)
I don't think either is compelling enough for a switch.

Me either!

Most switch because they are tired of Windows or need specific software that is only available on MAC.


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Aug 08, 2010 20:27 |  #8

I suspect Macs are liked by graphics designers and such because they don't really understand computers, and macs have traditionally been easier to use. Even though Windows 7 is easy to use, it's probably still not as idiot proof.

I wouldn't mind mac, but only because it has a unix shell. I like being able to mess with things, no matter what platform I use. I'm the same with cameras actually, they're just tools to me.


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Aug 08, 2010 22:28 |  #9

If you lost 2010 images you lost 7 months worth of files. Whatever direction you go with, you need a more viable mirrored off-site back up.


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Aug 08, 2010 23:27 |  #10

buddy4344 wrote in post #10684579 (external link)
Thanks guys. My logic is pretty simple: 1) many graphics folks love apple 2) while I know many PC to Mac changers, i don't many of the reverse

The only problems with trying things at an Apple store is that 1) I don't think I will really appreciate the product unless I am really editing an image or doing some workflow and 2) since I don't know the software of the general navigation, I think it will look shiny but feel klunky.

By the way, the primary system that melted was an i7 with 8MB ram and a 750 hard drive

I definitely will do my homework, but there is a lot of experience at POTN, so want to tap it.

I'm glad no one was hurt and that you saved most of your photos...

Sell you on Mac, hu? :) There are only three reasons you would want to switch to Mac, all things considered. 1) You want a no fuss OS that is very easy to operate and is incredibly stable. 2) You need the software available for Mac's. 3) You require the architecture (UNIX, Samba, etc...).

The money angle - Mac's are more expensive? Yes, and no. Lets say that you edit photos professionally, but Aperture 3 is enough. You also edit video semi-professionally (say, for Weddings) and buy Final Cut Studio. If you purchased Lightroom 3, Premiere, After Effects a Mac will be over $1,000 less than a comparable PC. LR3 and AE are more powerful than Aperture and Motion (in FCS), but 90% of users don't require all the features they offer. If you go all Adobe there won't be any software savings so it goes back to OS X as a preference.

Security is a big deal these days. There are no true OS X viruses. Not one. A virus, by definition, is a small program that can self-propagate spreading over networks. Now, there is malware though, but every one must be installed (you have to give it permission to open and run). I'm an IT professional in a 10,000 PC & 3,000 Mac network. Mac's account for .03% of malware infections - the rest are all PC :(. If you have kids, a Mac is probably the best thing you could ever get them. Teens account for the highest risk group because they go to pirate sites, porn sites and constantly share files with friends.

Did you know that Mac's are almost always #1 in every category they participate in? Consumer Reports, PCMag, CNet, LaptopMag and many others and are top sellers at Amazon (8/8). Apple is also #1 in customer satisfaction, almost doubling the closest PC vendor.

The architecture of OS X is versatile, powerful and easy. AppleScript and Automator make the entire OS and most software able to be used in a sort of batch or macro capacity. If you've used Bridge and Photoshop you know that you can setup a batch process to edit a lot of photos with set 'actions'. Imagine being able to do this with the entire OS. The sky is the limit. Automator is a strong reason many professionals like to use OS X. It makes doing repetitive and even complex actions simple. A for instance: Camera is attached to Mac, each photo goes into a folder... You would have to take those photos, place them into Aperture, make a project, etc... Automator can do that for you. Set Automator to monitor a folder, move the photo's into Aperture, rename them if necessary, do some basic edits, add meta data, create jpeg's at 10% size, compress them into a zip file, back them up, send them via email to client to select the best photos, have Automator waiting for an email from set client place all the photos they want into another folder.... I know, that's pretty extreme, but it would take me about fifteen minutes to set that up.

Architecure... This one is specialized for developers and programmers. If you want to write iPhone/iPad/iPod apps, want to work with Apple developers or have UNIX/Linux on your network OS X works with them naively. Window's would require additional software, and the better packages are expensive whereas on Apple they are either included or cheaper.

There are more reasons, but I'll stop there. PC's have a few big benefits that are hard to argue with. Usually PC OEMs will bundle bloatware, use plastic vs aluminum or carbon fiber and sell in massive bulk - all of which lowers costs considerably. If you built your own PC then you can leave out Bluetooth, IR sensor and premium mice and keyboards and settle for a $10 keyboard and $10 optical mouse. You can also pick and choose whatever hardware you'll want. PC's also have the gaming market and you can buy parts over weeks or months and put something together over time whereas with a Mac you'd have to plunk down the cash all at once.

Whatever you pick, do it from a point of understanding vs what others say. The diplomatic answer would be to tell you to make up your own mind and that OS X and Windows 7 are the same. They may have many of the same features, but they are wrapped up much differently. Just make sure you pick something you'll love to use vs put up with.

Automator, what is it (link (external link)) (note: My daughter said iTalkApple explained it best:confused:? Using third-party scripts (link (external link)). A simple use for Automator with Aperture (link (external link)). The last Automator would help you greatly when you start to add all those photos back into your preferred workflow program (Automator can be used with Adobe products too btw).

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Aug 08, 2010 23:55 |  #11

Buddy,

Search the archives here if you *really* want the low-down between Mac Vs. PC! Lots of interesting posts with plenty of flames thrown in for good measure! ;) ;)

I use Mac, PC, and Linux on a daily basis. I didn't like XP much and couldn't stand Vista....so I took a 'Windows break' for a few years there. But I have to say that Win 7 is a pretty polished system. I've been running my i7-860 since last Christmas with 7, and I haven't noticed any real 'bit rot' or 'registry clogging'....yet! But it hasn't been 100% smooth sailing either. All and all, I like the performance of Win 7 so far.

However, I still think Mac's OSX is the best operating system out there...unless there's something on another platform that demands you use something else. All my systems running OSX have never had a problem. Not having to worry about virus software is a huge plus! That's the main reason I switched to OSX in the first place -- it's simply the most stable and manageable OS out there for the vast majority of people.

If you liked Windows 7 with your i7, then I'd probably stick with that....UNLESS you really like the OSX environment. All your Adobe stuff will run just about the same, but your CS5 license (as far as I can tell) will not transfer from a PC to Mac without a fee. Lightroom 3 will work just fine in either.

Sorry about your loss. I know it's a big ordeal!


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Aug 09, 2010 00:07 |  #12

Just a note, as MacOS becomes more popular, it'll become a bigger target for viruses. It's sensible to run virus protection software on every OS, even Linux/Mac OS. I assume there's virus protection for Linux, but i've never really looked into it.


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Aug 09, 2010 00:41 |  #13

tim wrote in post #10685721 (external link)
Just a note, as MacOS becomes more popular, it'll become a bigger target for viruses. It's sensible to run virus protection software on every OS, even Linux/Mac OS. I assume there's virus protection for Linux, but i've never really looked into it.

Maxxum has tackled this claim numerous times. It's true that if Mac had a higher share of the market, virus/malware would target OSX more often. But as things stand, it's simply not an issue for OSX (or Linux for that manner).


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Aug 09, 2010 02:21 |  #14

Don't think about it as a Mac vs PC thing, to choose one over the other because it is a "Mac" or a "PC" is to follow naive brand loyalty.

Instead work out what features you need, what extra features you would like, what software you have, and what extra software you may use in the future, and then set a budget.
Look at all the options you can, and see what they offer against your list of features and budget and choose the one that fits the best.
It might be a big brand system, or you might find building your own, or having one built the better option.


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Aug 09, 2010 08:28 |  #15

Moppie wrote in post #10686122 (external link)
--- what software you have, and what extra software you may use in the future, and then set a budget.


Moppie thanks. Unfortunately due to the fire, I have NO software at this second. your points are on the mark though. When I started this thread I was hoping for feedback on features folks like in software and operating systems when using the 2 system options. While I have lived through XP, and Vista and Window 7, I know there has been some good and bad with Win 7 being better. I have also lived through malware issues that ate a lot of time. ... but I know Apple selection will create it's own learning curve and challenges.

Since I am so busy with the rest of the house, I am wanting some expert comments to expedite and direct my search


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