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Apr 17, 2012 21:03 |  #7276

I think male seniors make an exception to that 45 degree thing. Ive seen many great pictures where the shoulders were square on to the camera. Makes them look more broad.


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Apr 17, 2012 21:07 |  #7277

Gerry, youre right, there are images like that. To me though, this one just looks like a setup shot (Kyle, dont worry. I do the same thing and run into the same problem and others here have said the same comment to me)

I think if youre going to have square shoulders, it needs to be a power pose. Shoulders back and head up. Even then, I think Id prefer the slightest head turn.


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Apr 17, 2012 21:49 |  #7278

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Gerry, youre right, there are images like that. To me though, this one just looks like a setup shot (Kyle, dont worry. I do the same thing and run into the same problem and others here have said the same comment to me)

I think if youre going to have square shoulders, it needs to be a power pose. Shoulders back and head up. Even then, I think Id prefer the slightest head turn.

+1 straight on pose should be more in your face, and confident. This one seems to be shrinking away from the moment.


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Apr 17, 2012 21:53 |  #7279

Thanks to all for the business discussion as well as the great photography. I'm so addicted to this thread right now.


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Apr 17, 2012 22:05 |  #7280

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Im retired and i have a good retirement income. Im able to take 30yrs of corporate experience and devote it to the business. Unique Moments will net 75K for 2012. We want it to break 100K in 2 yrs so my wife can can take an early retirement as well.....its gonna happen:cool:

Awesome!

It's neat to see how many different ways we all came to this craft.

I'm living on a different planet from you. Photography was only a hobby for me, but in 2009 I was one of the "lucky" ones at my company to only lose 20% of my salary instead of my job. This photography business has enabled me to use the extra cash flow to get through tough times and keep my house. Now times are getting better so I'm no longer wanting to work every moment I'm awake.(I work a 50+ hour week at the day job) I will keep the business, but I'm trying to figure out how to fit it in to a more relaxed lifestyle. My children are 15 and 11, and are my assistants. We have lots of fun on shoots together, but it is not the same as true family time.


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Apr 17, 2012 22:13 |  #7281

For those that use online proofing, do they still come to you to order or they can do that on line as well?

Do you retouch all photos you are showing client or just a few to show what they will receive? Seems a waste to retouch photos they don't buy.


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Apr 17, 2012 22:45 |  #7282

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For those that use online proofing, do they still come to you to order or they can do that on line as well?

Do you retouch all photos you are showing client or just a few to show what they will receive? Seems a waste to retouch photos they don't buy.

They order from me mostly, but a few extended family members order online.

I retouch everything I show. Exception is if a client asks to see more of a specific shot. I'll post those in a private separate gallery to see if they like a different shot better. Example a family walking down a road holding hands. I may have 30 shots and they want to see them all before they order a large print.


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Apr 17, 2012 22:56 |  #7283

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For those that use online proofing, do they still come to you to order or they can do that on line as well?

Do you retouch all photos you are showing client or just a few to show what they will receive? Seems a waste to retouch photos they don't buy.

In my experience, when I've done online proofing in the past the sales were lacking, sometimes severely. Some people like to copy the picture, proof and all and just use that. The sales also come in much slower, sometime months later instead of right away. Last year I did all my spokesmodels sessions online, huge mistake, not a single additional sale from them. A couple have come back showing interest in prints but no actual cash in my hands yet from that. This year im doing all my spokesmodel sessions in person, for one thing the turn around is much faster.


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Apr 17, 2012 23:16 |  #7284

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In my experience, when I've done online proofing in the past the sales were lacking, sometimes severely. Some people like to copy the picture, proof and all and just use that. The sales also come in much slower, sometime months later instead of right away. Last year I did all my spokesmodels sessions online, huge mistake, not a single additional sale from them. A couple have come back showing interest in prints but no actual cash in my hands yet from that. This year im doing all my spokesmodel sessions in person, for one thing the turn around is much faster.

I have never ever had a client not buy their photos. I definitely have experienced the delay in ordering a few times.


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Apr 17, 2012 23:20 |  #7285

One from the session I'm editing tonight.

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Apr 17, 2012 23:43 |  #7286

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I have never ever had a client not buy their photos. I definitely have experienced the delay in ordering a few times.

Some would buy the cheapest package and then many other poses marked "proof, do not share" could be found on facebook. :) I do my best not to give digital proofs anymore. :)


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Apr 17, 2012 23:50 |  #7287

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I dont post often. :) This is from yesterday, I had a 3rd session with this spokesmodel. The branch on the right is bugging me a bit, there was more to it but I cropped it off, I probably should clone it out. I left a reddish hue since it was sunset. :)

It was shot at 1/200 - F2.8 at iso200 with my vivitar 285 flash bounced off a 40" white umbrella. Then a slight glamour glow was painted in with a 33% flow brush to make the colors a bit more dramatic.

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Apr 17, 2012 23:53 |  #7288

GerryDavid wrote in post #14284605 (external link)
Some would buy the cheapest package and then many other poses marked "proof, do not share" could be found on facebook. :) I do my best not to give digital proofs anymore. :)

Just different styles. I have photos up on FB the day of the shoot, and I don't even watermark them. It just doesn't bother me. I get so much business from FB it's easily my best marketing tool for seniors.


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Apr 17, 2012 23:58 |  #7289

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I dont post often. :) This is from yesterday, I had a 3rd session with this spokesmodel. The branch on the right is bugging me a bit, there was more to it but I cropped it off, I probably should clone it out. I left a reddish hue since it was sunset. :)

It was shot at 1/200 - F2.8 at iso200 with my vivitar 285 flash bounced off a 40" white umbrella. Then a slight glamour glow was painted in with a 33% flow brush to make the colors a bit more dramatic.

Nice shot. I think your light should be a little higher. Your getting a bit too much light under her nose for my taste.


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Apr 18, 2012 00:02 |  #7290

I put 2 or 3 teaser pictures on facebook the same day or the day after a portrait shoot, with my logo in the corner, at a res of 800px on the long side, sometimes 600px. Its just good business to do it, it gets people talking, their anxious to see them and so is their family.

And since they are processed, they tend to be purchased when I do the picture viewing, they stand out among the unprocessed pictures. So its not usually time wasted.

But if you are not putting your logo on them, then you are loosing out on free advertising. I dont know how many times ive seen an average person put up a folder of their new professional pictures on facebook with no info on the photographer to be found anywhere. So if someone loved the style and wanted to hire them, their out of luck, unless they ask and many people are to lazy to ask. :)

I started to offer complimentary small res digital files with logo with each purchased print last year. I got tired of seeing my prints on facebook taken by a camera, no sharpness, colors way off, and distorted.


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