Is the EF-S line ended now?

That may be a premature assumption WRT the 1.3. Or it might not. But they're still selling 1D Mk II cameras at this point in time.

Indeed - my XT is a pretty amazing little camera. And it is quite noise-free.

There's a lot of 20D's out there shooting weddings. There's also a lot of film out there - still. My niece's wedding 2 weeks ago was shot entirely with film - the photog had 4 manual Nikon bodies and he knew his equipment very well.

I'd say IMHO that full-frame has more advantages than disadvantages when compared to 1.6X, but that doesn't make 1.6 bad - it's loads beyond the micro-sensors in most P&S cameras in terms of noise & DOF control.

When I first went with AF about 3 years ago, I was amazed at how quickly and accurately the camera could focus. That was with a used Elan II film camera. It's still a marval that it works so well, but it isn't perfect (darn close though, IMHO). Once in a while, MF is needed. Unfortunately, I have about a snowball's chance in a very hot place of manually focusing the XT without the Angle finder. The 1D2 is much better, plus it has easily interechangeable focus screens for use with MF lenses (like that 20 mm Zeiss/Jena I have coming soon). And the viewfinder is much bigger and easier to see than is that of the 1.6 cameras. FF is even better in that respect.

EF-S is here to stay for a good while, and perhaps for a very long time. Canon might still be feeling the markets a bit, but I suspect that there'll be a couple more good EF-S lenses coming out, including something in the f/2.8 variety. Canon won't put out a large quantity of EF-S lenses, since there is compatibility, but there will be a couple where it makes sense. At the long end, it's not worthwhile to build an EF-S lens as the size & cost difference would be negligable.

I was quite committed to the crusade for an affordable full-frame DSLR. I also promised myself I'd never buy an EF-S lens if I couldn't use it on my 1Dm2.

forget all that.....I now have both the 17-85 and the 10-22. I probably would have the 60mm macro if I had found one on my last shoppoing trip.

The fact is, if Canon brought out a pro body (1-series) in the APS-C format, I wouldn't hesitate to buy and use it.

I've been in enough situations recently where I was shooting the 1Dm2, the 20D, and the XT, and can't see any difference in image quality. As sensor technogoly improves, the differences, which are now trivial, will become all but non-existent.

Canon appears committed to the EF-S format, and I expect will remain so for the foreseeable future. It's unclear if they will migrate it to pro-level (i.e. L lenses), or if they will ever make a pro body with a 1.6X crop factor.

I suspect they will, and probably in the not-too-distant future.

Tom - change in subject....

....I could not reply to your e-mail for some reason. Tried 3 times. I did get your message and thanks.

Back to the subject, I still don't have any EF-S lenses, but I've thought about it a bit. The 17-85 is a formidable contender given its useful focal range.

.....and the IS helps make up for it not being all that fast.

I for one would love to see a pro version of the XT. Or rather a full featured small but solid camera rather than the large bodies the pros normally are.

Just to make a point, FF is the way to go. No doubt, everyone knows how to read full frame focal lengths, the sensors are huge, what's not to like?

My only point is, at this time a 1.6x sensor is alot cheaper to purchase then a FF, and as long as I can't afford a 1D, I hope I can still get EF-S glass since I want to be able to shoot the same wide angle and normals I had with film. No need for a tele EF-S, it would be silly--unless you could give me an EF-S 100-400 f4-5.6 IS for $500 (and less wieght) and about the size of a 75-300mm, then I may change my mind Or if I could have an EF-S 300mm IS prime for $500

In anycase I hope Canon doesn't assume all advance amatures will dump their 1.6x DSLR's for the 5D, I'd go broke trying to buy new glass and a new bodies. And I'm happy with the 1.6x resolution. And the files size I have now, a 5D at 12MP---yikes, I'd need to invest in HDD for my PC too

I hope we keep the EF-S lenses, and I hope we get a 20D replacement that feature for feature and speed for speed matches my old Elan 7, then I may finally want to dump my Drebel.

I sometimes wish the MP would stay the same but the speed would increase, I shoot alot of sports, I'd rather have some speed for my dollar not really more MP most days.

A 20Dx (let's say) with the speed of my old Elan 7 and a huge buffer would be really nice, and I'd gladly give up FF for that....

the 10-22 will prolly be my first and last EF-S lens. The only reason i bought that lens was to cover the REAL Wide angle... I would say the rest of my lenses will prolly be EF Mount.

Even tho im still intrested in some of the EF-S glass like 17-85 and 60mm Macro,.. Im still going to be getting a Tamron 28-75 and 100mm macro instead.

Not to mention my soon to be splurge on primes.... 25mm 50mm 1.4, and the 85mm Primes.

Bear in mind that there is a new generation of SLR photographers coming along who never shot 35mm. They don't have to do the math becasue they don't have any preconceived notions about where the dividing line between wide angle and telephoto resides.

True, but the same time i like to buy NON EF-S for compatibility with future cameras.

I shot film before digital and I really think I could shoot a 1.6x body for along time and never care to go FF. I'm so happy with how the Drebel's pictures look. I love it's resolution, sure it's not pro by any standard. But for my size of prints I love the thing. And I would assume 1.6x bodies are only going to get way better over time.

Layston - Just like you I started with a Canon Ftb and untill today I'm verry sorry to have sold my first SLR ...
But you are saying you started 15 years ago with the Canon Ftb. Is'nt this model much older?
If I'm recalling good it was out in the mid seventies, did it last or be sold until 15 years ago?
Do you have and or still use your Canon Ftb?

Check this out for History for Canon cemera's.

http://www.canon.com/c​amera-museum/

FTb 1971, FD lens mount

Dave

Salleke,

Actually it was my father's fTb. He bought it when I was just born (in the early seventies). He still has it and still uses it, it is in FANTASTIC shape. For Christmas last year my wife bought me a used fTb and I'm loving shooting with it. My father had always promised to give me his fTb and he and I were reminiscing about him teaching me how to use it about a year ago. My wife overheard and decided to buy me one for Christmas.

The used one I have works beautifully and the only problem with it is some fungus on the mirror. This does not affect image quality and some of the pictures I'm taking of my 7 month old daughter still astound me.

I actually still have my very first camera that I ever bought for myself, it is a Vivitar PS:30 35mm P&S (P.O.S. actually - but hey I was 10) . Snagged this pic from a web search. I even have the original manual!

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