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Aug 12, 2010 11:24 |  #1
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I am curious if others have experienced a place in their lives as photographers where images that used to thrill no longer have the same draw. That in the years you have been working this craft your tastes have become more refined and possibly jaded or highly selective.

Is the bottom line requirement of an image to generate interest in the viewer? I would think that is true but what happens to the viewer who is well traveled? Do images need to place at a higher and higher level of interest each time an image is viewed?




  
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Aug 12, 2010 13:05 |  #2

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Is the bottom line requirement of an image to generate interest in the viewer? I would think that is true but what happens to the viewer who is well traveled? Do images need to place at a higher and higher level of interest each time an image is viewed?

I am well travelled...33 countries/island nations. It does not at all alter my appreciation of photos taken by me or by others of these same places, much less alter my appreciation and desire to visit many places I have not been near.


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Aug 12, 2010 17:53 |  #3
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What I meant by "well traveled" is someone who has spent a lot of time viewing images, not someone who has traveled the world. I honestly wonder how someone with 30 years of experience as a photo editor responds to imagery and whether the image has to be above and beyond and completely unique to be considered at all.




  
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Aug 12, 2010 17:56 |  #4

By "well traveled" I am taking it into the context of photography in general, not as landscape pictures from different areas of the world (correct me if I am wrong?)

I think the fact is we get bored of taking pictures of the same images twice. We want to shoot something new (even if it's just a variation of something commonly done). The level of interest in a photograph is totally up to the person viewing it. Someone might yawn at pictures of the pyramids, others might stare and laugh hysterically at a simple picture of a kitten playing with a toy mouse.


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I guess I am wondering if I have lost interest all together. While there are many great images from all over the world are we at a point where we need that something special to make a unique mark? An example. The arches in Arches have been shot over and over. I met a guy who had an image of an arch with the moon and rainbow. So where do you go from there? How do images from that park improve? I am beginning to think portraiture is probably the only real unique subject left and because there are so many people.




  
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Aug 12, 2010 19:31 |  #6

jetcode wrote in post #10710811 (external link)
I am beginning to think portraiture is probably the only real unique subject left and because there are so many people.

Precisely my main interest as well! I too have lost some interest in photography (not sure if my 3 years in the hobby is due to gear or art?) I like wedding photography as well. I think it's the emotions that you capture that truly makes the photographs. Landscape photography doesn't do much for me, unless it is a stunning sunset or something to do with clouds that is out of the ordinary.


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Aug 12, 2010 19:36 |  #7

Interesting Question...

I think in my case, the fire still burns just as brightly but it's now somewhat tempered by the desire to get "The Shot" and not just a shot...

I find that I'm more willing to look at a situation and know that unless it's one of a kind or some world-shaking event, it's ok to just watch and not automatically pick up a camera.

Not to sound like an ad for Cialis, but I now have a better feeling for when the "time is right..."


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Aug 12, 2010 20:06 |  #8

I can relate. For several years I was really big on shooting landscapes - and somewhat terrified of shooting people. But after a while, I started to get bored of landscapes. Granted, if I go someplace cool, or the light is just right, I'll still shoot them, but I don't go out hunting for them anymore.

I have instead started working with people much more often, and am enjoying the challenge and even the slight terror of it. Same with wildlife photography - it's entirely new and calls on a different skill set, where getting a single good shot may make the whole day.




  
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Aug 12, 2010 20:29 as a reply to  @ FlyingPhotog's post |  #9
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The reason people lose interest in photography is usually related to the type of images that they are ingesting. There is something that I crudely call "the psychology of the shot." This is what I use to describe the elements within a photograph that are appealing or unappealing to the viewer. It's related to aesthetics but goes farther than that because the types of images that a person finds pleasing or displeasing often has as much to do with the personality and intellect of the viewer as the image itself.

The physical subject matter contained within an image can provoke a response from the viewer both in terms of the senses and the intellect. Images that rely solely on sensory elements to generate a response can become boring very quickly, whereas the intellectual elements of an image will generally remain timeless.

An example of a sensory element within an image could be the superficial appearance of the actual physical subject. For example, some people like cars and enjoy looking at pictures of cars. These people enjoy pictures that contain cars that are pleasing to their eye and reject pictures that contain cars that they consider ugly. This is a strictly sensory response. Some people like pretty girls and enjoy glamour pictures. Exposure, sharpness, color balance, lighting, bokeh etc when viewed solely for their superficial qualities and devoid of any symbolic meaning behind their use become sensory elements. Almost EVERY critique and photo sharing section on the web relies on sensory elements in order to succeed or fail. Genres of photography are actually defined by shallow superficial qualities like people, landscapes, and wildlife. When a photograph relies on the senses alone to be successful then it's lifespan is usually short lived because the viewer that recieves sensory pleasure from viewing those images needs a constant stream of new stimulation to prevent from becoming bored.

Intellectual elements contained within an image can provoke a more reasoned response from the viewer and can have the effect of remaining enjoyable for greater periods of time, possibly even an entire lifetime. People that are interested in distinguishing these elements might want to start reading up on Aristotle and Hegel. Some of these elements can include symbolism, lines, form, repetition, duality etc. These elements can be more difficult to recognize and not every viewer will notice them. In fact, most viewers will not be aware that they are even there, so these elements can often only appeal to the trained observer. Bresson could be an example of a photographer that created images relying on intellectual elements, like strong lines, and that's one of the reasons that he is still popular today.

A good photographer should know how to marry both sensory and intellectual elements together. For example, he may choose a particular color scheme not just because of it's sensory appeal but also for symbolic meaning. Or he may choose a lighting scheme both for it's beauty but also it's ability to accentuate strong lines.

I also believe that there is a message contained within an image that can provoke a spiritual response on behalf of the viewer. An image can provoke lust, envy or a carry a mocking tone towards the subject matter. These types of messages will appeal to the darker spirits. An image can also emphasize noble things like love, dedication or promote the family. Images that contain dark messages will provide a momentary satisfaction to the viewer that shares the same dark spirit, but they cause depression in people that do not share the same dark spirit.

In order for an image to be considered great art, then it really has to contain sensory and intellectual elements while also appealing to the noble spirit. Images that rely only on sensory elements are shallow. Images that provoke dark spiritual responses are degenerate.

I'll be the first to say that it's a wasteland out there. There's a ton of photography to look at but almost all of it is either shallow or degenerate (or both.) I think it's a reflection of our culture in general and won't change until the culture changes too.




  
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Aug 12, 2010 21:12 |  #10

GV, that's quite well-reasoned and is inspiring to hear, as I've been in a rut.


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super65 wrote in post #10711660 (external link)
GV, that's quite well-reasoned and is inspiring to hear, as I've been in a rut.

Thanks, I went through a long rut and am only now getting out of it :D

It's rough out there lol




  
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GV well stated and highly informative. I think you really nailed what I consider dimensionality of an image. Something that strikes from a variety of different levels. I think I need to recognize the wasteland and start looking deeper at the images that draw me in. Thanks.

FlyingP I understand your "The Shot". I would also say you have a good target reference for what that means. You have a subject that is close to your skin and I have found it interesting to view the literal and non literal interpretations.




  
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Aug 13, 2010 06:16 |  #13

GV: Very interesting theories you have on photography! Almost think we could have a separate area of the forum just to discuss psychological/spiritua​l/philosophical elements of photography. If we could make standardized ideas of what is photography (ie your example of sensory vs intelligent) that could help photographers who are at a mental roadblock.

Images that provoke dark spiritual responses are degenerate.

I'm not sure if I agree with this. Emotions are emotions, they don't all have to be good ones. Care to further elaborate? Perhaps I am missing something (regarding the "degenerate" part.) While I am a spiritual person I don't subscribe to faith based religious ideas (but let's not go there).


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Aug 13, 2010 06:48 |  #14

I think everyone gets jaded now and then, it is human nature.

At that point there are a few options:
1) go out and shoot and potentially be more frustrated
2) look for inspiration in other peoples images
3) Put the camera away for a while and wait for the "muse" to strike
4) Try a different genre of photography (ie switch from landscapes to portraits)

I find that doing 4 keeps my interest going and revives my outlook.


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Aug 13, 2010 10:23 |  #15
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its the same thing i've b@tched about music....everybody and their grandmothers got computers so we're glutted with sounds, and in this case images, all created with the same software, all the same tools, all the same styles...
while it doesn't mean that some of it isn't very good, its just that it becomes, "so what" *yawn*


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