The Young Photographer's Thread

DizzyEwok wrote in post #11528001
Yes I know there is more to it, but you can enjoy it almost all the same without spending £1000+.

The money they pour down the drain on alcohol is something I'm also against, it's the same with cigarettes.

Take the Montblanc for example, without it, would you be incapable of writing? No you wouldn't, a pen is a pen, you have it because you wanted it, not because you need it.
In the same way that these teenagers just want the ridiculously expensive photography equipment, they do not need it.

Actually, without the Montblanc I wouldn't be able to enjoy writing.
Yes, I could write - but not as well. And considering that it still looks great after 3,7 years of heavy usage (A-level + University) makes it an investment well worth it.
-> My Cross that I used before started to disintegrate... the Chromium Plating to be exact...

The other point I didn't allude to above is "cost over lifetime" - if I stick with my Montblanc for years, and I hope decades to come it will easily justify it's price.
Especially Fountainpens do not age nowadays - on old ones the ink sack or cork might need replacement - the modern ones last for eternity

Maybe it's also a different look on life I don't know.
I can't see anything inherently wrong with it if the money is there - and if at least the basic talent is there.

DetlevCM wrote in post #11528064
Actually, without the Montblanc I wouldn't be able to enjoy writing.
Yes, I could write - but not as well. And considering that it still looks great after 3,7 years of heavy usage (A-level + University) makes it an investment well worth it.
-> My Cross that I used before started to disintegrate... the Chromium Plating to be exact...

The other point I didn't allude to above is "cost over lifetime" - if I stick with my Montblanc for years, and I hope decades to come it will easily justify it's price.
Especially Fountainpens do not age nowadays - on old ones the ink sack or cork might need replacement - the modern ones last for eternity

Maybe it's also a different look on life I don't know.
I can't see anything inherently wrong with it if the money is there - and if at least the basic talent is there.

Then surely you're enjoying the Montblanc and not the writing itself?
I'm not saying you do, but many people must just force themselves into enjoying things that they've spent a lot of money on, purely because they don't want to feel regret.

Yes, yes I know, but the Montblanc was just an example, a camera does wear, it can break and it can also be overtaken by other cameras or technologies.

If the money was earned by the consumer, sure there's nothing wrong with it, but if it's just wealthy parents spoiling their children then surely you can't say that's right?

DizzyEwok wrote in post #11528103
Then surely you're enjoying the Montblanc and not the writing itself?
I'm not saying you do, but many people must just force themselves into enjoying things that they've spent a lot of money on, purely because they don't want to feel regret.

Yes, yes I know, but the Montblanc was just an example, a camera does wear, it can break and it can also be overtaken by other cameras or technologies.

If the money was earned by the consumer, sure there's nothing wrong with it, but if it's just wealthy parents spoiling their children then surely you can't say that's right?

The action of writing is only enjoyable if the tool you use is enjoyable to use - I suppose you have a point in that it's a combination of things.

But going back to the camera - yes, newer models come out, yes it can break, but to be honest, what's the alternative? Let the kids drink? Let the money rot in a bank?
At least it's circulating in the economy.

If you can afford spending in your family and it makes other family members happy - what's the problem?
I don't want this to turn political - but I'm not a fan of capitalism -> I wonder if this comes into play here, I'm more a socialist. The attitude towards money...

DetlevCM wrote in post #11528157
The action of writing is only enjoyable if the tool you use is enjoyable to use - I suppose you have a point in that it's a combination of things.

But going back to the camera - yes, newer models come out, yes it can break, but to be honest, what's the alternative? Let the kids drink? Let the money rot in a bank?
At least it's circulating in the economy.

If you can afford spending in your family and it makes other family members happy - what's the problem?
I don't want this to turn political - but I'm not a fan of capitalism -> I wonder if this comes into play here, I'm more a socialist. The attitude towards money...

There's all kinds of psychological effects to spoiling your kids, I've seen people's lives ruined just because they're spoilt.

You might have heard of the "Little Emperors Syndrome" in China because of the one child policy? The same applies all over the world.

If not : http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Little_Emperor_​Syndrome

DizzyEwok wrote in post #11528183
There's all kinds of psychological effects to spoiling your kids, I've seen people's lives ruined just because they're spoilt.

You might have heard of the "Little Emperors Syndrome" in China because of the one child policy? The same applies all over the world.

If not : http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Little_Emperor_​Syndrome

I've not heard of it before - although I do not think this would necessarily hold true for Europe.
The mentality of people is important too - and the mentalities between Europe and China are very different.
Heck, compare the UK; Germany, Poland and Russia... -> a lot of difference.

Europe has had no problems with families who only have one child - even if they are spoilt.

DetlevCM wrote in post #11528224
I've not heard of it before - although I do not think this would necessarily hold true for Europe.
The mentality of people is important too - and the mentalities between Europe and China are very different.
Heck, compare the UK; Germany, Poland and Russia... -> a lot of difference.

Europe has had no problems with families who only have one child - even if they are spoilt.

It's not a question of if it would hold true in Europe, I've seen it hold true.

When someone's spoilt, they think they can have what they want, they develop an attitude where they think they don't have to work for things, they'll just be given to them, and then the second they're let out into the real world, they, quite simply, just fail. I know of numerous people this has and will happen to, and there's no stopping it

DizzyEwok wrote in post #11528275
It's not a question of if it would hold true in Europe, I've seen it hold true.

When someone's spoilt, they think they can have what they want, they develop an attitude where they think they don't have to work for things, they'll just be given to them, and then the second they're let out into the real world, they, quite simply, just fail. I know of numerous people this has and will happen to, and there's no stopping it

So? Why bother though.
Not all of "them" fail - let the ones who do fail. Why bother.

DetlevCM wrote in post #11528391
So? Why bother though.
Not all of "them" fail - let the ones who do fail. Why bother.

Selfish attitude don't you think? I thought you were a Socialist?

DizzyEwok wrote in post #11528431
Selfish attitude don't you think? I thought you were a Socialist?

-> yes, but I can't care for everybody.
If people do not want to learn they won't.

Generally at school or at university the ones who do want to learn will trip once, and use that as a lesson to improve. - And then obviously help them.

If someone just doesn't want to learn why should you force them to? - Why should you try to help someone who won't accept the only solution?

You need to find the middle way - and that can be difficult.

DetlevCM wrote in post #11528463
-> yes, but I can't care for everybody.
If people do not want to learn they won't.

Generally at school or at university the ones who do want to learn will trip once, and use that as a lesson to improve. - And then obviously help them.

If someone just doesn't want to learn why should you force them to? - Why should you try to help someone who won't accept the only solution?

You need to find the middle way - and that can be difficult.

So it's their fault they're spoilt? Not their parents?

They didn't choose to be spoilt, or not necessarily anyway,

Imagine if you had a mental disability, you might want to learn, but you can't because of this thing that's holding you back.

The same could be said about these kids, except they don't know they have what they have.

DizzyEwok wrote in post #11528483
So it's their fault they're spoilt? Not their parents?

They didn't choose to be spoilt, or not necessarily anyway,

Imagine if you had a mental disability, you might want to learn, but you can't because of this thing that's holding you back.

The same could be said about these kids, except they don't know they have what they have.

I wouldn't compare an attitude acquired with a mental disability. A mental disability cannot be changed (it's effects can only be reduced as far as I am aware) - and attitude can be changed (it might be hard and very difficult, but it can be done).

Indeed, it is not their fault - but they could still learn that not everything comes for free.
Would you alternatively advocate Mao's cultural revolution for everybody? Working in fields... wearing the same? Everbody being poor, nothing "special" for anybody?

As I said - they'll trip over it at school or maybe university - and then they'll learn.
If they are completely unwilling to accept that they need to do any work then let them fail - but if they are willing to change/see their error, help them get back onto their feet.

DetlevCM wrote in post #11528543
I wouldn't compare an attitude acquired with a mental disability. A mental disability cannot be changed (it's effects can only be reduced as far as I am aware) - and attitude can be changed (it might be hard and very difficult, but it can be done).

Indeed, it is not their fault - but they could still learn that not everything comes for free.
Would you alternatively advocate Mao's cultural revolution for everybody? Working in fields... wearing the same? Everbody being poor, nothing "special" for anybody?

As I said - they'll trip over it at school or maybe university - and then they'll learn.
If they are completely unwilling to accept that they need to do any work then let them fail - but if they are willing to change/see their error, help them get back onto their feet.

A psychological implication has the same chance of being cured as a mental disability surely, seeing as they are both defects of the brain?

No I never said that's what I wanted.

And not everyone will trip over it.

DizzyEwok wrote in post #11528605
A psychological implication has the same chance of being cured as a mental disability surely, seeing as they are both defects of the brain?

No I never said that's what I wanted.

And not everyone will trip over it.

Something you learn you can unlearn/learn to ignore/learn to view as wrong.
Being spoilt is neither physical damage to the brain nor is it a genetic condition.

-> The last point:
The ones who do not trip over it will live and obviously get what they want, so, is there a problem? They might be too selfish - but hey, that will stigmatize them in society too, so they'll learn that or live with the burden.

DetlevCM wrote in post #11528808
Something you learn you can unlearn/learn to ignore/learn to view as wrong.
Being spoilt is neither physical damage to the brain nor is it a genetic condition.

-> The last point:
The ones who do not trip over it will live and obviously get what they want, so, is there a problem? They might be too selfish - but hey, that will stigmatize them in society too, so they'll learn that or live with the burden.

There's lots of things people view as wrong but they still do. Do you think burglars count stealing as right?

I don't see how they'll get what they want?

17 here, this is a good friend with a little PP.