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Does sensor dirt shows up at smaller apertures only?

 
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Aug 14, 2005 17:14 |  #1

I have been doing the blue sky check about once a week as I change my lenses pretty often...everything was good until today...definite goobers on the sensor.

I just checked a few days back and was really surprised to have as many as I did. One thing I noticed is that when I did the test, I was stopped at f22...then boom! They popped right out at me. Looked at a few other photos with f10 and below, and could find them only cause I knew they were there.

Is this typical?


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Aug 14, 2005 17:15 |  #2

Yes. It has to do with the angles that light comes in at with different F-stops.

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Aug 14, 2005 17:22 |  #3

Hmmm...no wonder I thought everything was fine...thanks...just ordered the copperhill kit.

Love that Adams' quote, by the way...totally true.


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Aug 14, 2005 21:20 as a reply to  @ dmstraton's post |  #4

On one day of shooting at a consistent wildlife subject, I was using mostly f/8 to f/11, and I never saw any sensor spots in the images. Then, to change the depth of field, I changed up to f/16 or so. All of a sudden the dust was visible. Of course, the dust was there all along, but I never saw it until f/16.

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Aug 15, 2005 16:23 |  #5

dmstraton wrote:
I have been doing the blue sky check about once a week as I change my lenses pretty often...everything was good until today...definite goobers on the sensor.

I just checked a few days back and was really surprised to have as many as I did. One thing I noticed is that when I did the test, I was stopped at f22...then boom! They popped right out at me. Looked at a few other photos with f10 and below, and could find them only cause I knew they were there.

Is this typical?

You realize, of course, that if you don't see it on your pictures, it doesn't matter.


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Aug 15, 2005 17:17 |  #6

Very typical.....my first 20D even had bad dust at f8 right out of the box....but the further up you go, the worse it'll get.....mine looked like someone had dumped a handful of sand in it when I got it to f22...

Nice enough of my local shop, they replaced it for me with a new one.....


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Aug 15, 2005 17:40 |  #7

You gotta wonder if all this out-of-box sensor dust is a clever ploy by Canon to induce owners to upgrade when a future model comes out with a anti-dust mechanism. ;)


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Aug 15, 2005 19:52 |  #8

Oh, you know Canon will get us somehow...whether it is megapixels or speed or an anti-dust feature...they will get us, oh yes.

That is why I will always replace with the lowest price body...all those features trickle down at some point! Put my money into the lenses.:lol:


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Aug 15, 2005 19:55 as a reply to  @ robertwgross's post |  #9

robertwgross wrote:
On one day of shooting at a consistent wildlife subject, I was using mostly f/8 to f/11, and I never saw any sensor spots in the images. Then, to change the depth of field, I changed up to f/16 or so. All of a sudden the dust was visible. Of course, the dust was there all along, but I never saw it until f/16.

---Bob Gross---

Yes, right...only reason I noticed is I've got my new Tokina and am looking for the landscape shots at higher f-stops.:mad: I am usually in the 8-11 range.

By the way, Bob, you're a great resource...I read you all over the forum a voice of reason.


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Aug 16, 2005 06:48 as a reply to  @ RDKirk's post |  #10

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You realize, of course, that if you don't see it on your pictures, it doesn't matter.

Not so sure I agree. If the dust is there it's affecting the image in some way, reduced contrast, resolution etc.




  
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Aug 16, 2005 18:39 |  #11

The two reasons for contemplating f/22 are
1) to make dust visible so you know when to clean, and how successful you have been and
2) where you *absolutely* have to have the depth of field to get two critical objects , near and far, equally in "focus"

Otherwise f/22 will soften the whole image noticeably due to diffraction.

I know this because I once shot some (what I thought were going to be) very nice shots after cleaning my sensor and it was still at f/22 - d'oh :( Didn't want it to happen to others...


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Aug 16, 2005 21:02 as a reply to  @ AJSJones's post |  #12

AJSJones wrote:
The two reasons for contemplating f/22 are
1) to make dust visible so you know when to clean, and how successful you have been and
2) where you *absolutely* have to have the depth of field to get two critical objects , near and far, equally in "focus"

Otherwise f/22 will soften the whole image noticeably due to diffraction.

I know this because I once shot some (what I thought were going to be) very nice shots after cleaning my sensor and it was still at f/22 - d'oh :( Didn't want it to happen to others...

I'll add another:
3) Very bright scenes where the fastest shutter speed still leaves your photo overexposed.

f/22 may be not quite as sharp, but should be very useable.




  
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Aug 16, 2005 21:26 |  #13

(Repeat note to self - get a 5 or 6 stop ND to go with the 2 and 3 stop grads)
Yup, you're right of course - so ISO 50 would also be an option in some cases.
I was surprised by how big an effect it had compared to say f/11 or even f/16. WIth good sharpening to recover it and modest print size, it's "useable" but I'd use it only in extreme cases...


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Sep 08, 2005 02:49 as a reply to  @ robertwgross's post |  #14

robertwgross wrote:
On one day of shooting at a consistent wildlife subject, I was using mostly f/8 to f/11, and I never saw any sensor spots in the images. Then, to change the depth of field, I changed up to f/16 or so. All of a sudden the dust was visible. Of course, the dust was there all along, but I never saw it until f/16.

---Bob Gross---

I found that out the hard way. I went to the beach for a shoot, which involved clients, and well found out my photos had all these spots against the beach background of blue sky and water. It was very disheartening and a bad impression made upon my new bosses. :o


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