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Aug 25, 2010 16:33 |  #1
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I'm having a hard time keeping skin tones consistant.
It was recommended to me before to shoot with an 18% gray card but I think I did it improperly because for a while my images started coming up with too much of a purple cast.

It varies depending on the changing light, and this day was off and on cloudy/super bright.

Is there any hard and fast rules for making sure you get the skin tones' color exactly right all the time?

I shoot in raw. I often keep the thing on Auto wb on camera. Or when I have time I use the custom (Kelvin) setting to tune it using the LCD. Most often don't have time.

Too warm

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Too Cold...slight magneta cast.
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help?


Here are two quick examples, extremely low res, disregard the quality...

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Aug 25, 2010 16:51 |  #2

Nah I just use AWB and sample off something white, or even just play with the sliders until I like what I see.


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Aug 25, 2010 16:58 |  #3

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Nah I just use AWB and sample off something white, or even just play with the sliders until I like what I see.

If you are having WAY too much trouble, outsource it. I am looking into a place called Colorati (external link) to possibly do this. (I sound like a broken record)


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Aug 25, 2010 17:52 as a reply to  @ Red Tie Photography's post |  #4
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I like the sound of slider playing :D


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Aug 25, 2010 18:10 |  #5

Unless you're suffering from colorcast caused by weird walls, skin tones are usually what they are. If you don't like them you can "tan" somebody up a bit by using the saturation sliders. (red & orange).

For severe cases, with LightRoom you can use a color brush and apply a very slight dark-yellow tint. I often do this for Caucasians when shooting in the winter months.

Your skin tones in the samples look fine to me.




  
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Aug 25, 2010 18:14 |  #6
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Maybe my monitor is tuned wrong....got it set at 6500k


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Aug 25, 2010 21:14 |  #7

Look fine here also from those samples :)




  
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Aug 25, 2010 22:12 |  #8

Easy way to remove color cast.

Go into photoshop CS.

Duplicate photo into new layer (Ctrl+J)
While on "top layer" (just created), go to filter>blur>average
Set top to overlay and play with opacity untill you get the desired result.




  
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Aug 26, 2010 01:43 |  #9
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Viva-photography wrote in post #10789103 (external link)
Easy way to remove color cast.

Go into photoshop CS.

Duplicate photo into new layer (Ctrl+J)
While on "top layer" (just created), go to filter>blur>average
Set top to overlay and play with opacity untill you get the desired result.

Thanks, I'll try that out. Hey cool it works.


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Aug 26, 2010 09:44 |  #10

Almost all basic sliders in lightroom affects skin tones. Of course, saturation/hue/luminan​ce does, but so does everything else like exposure, recovery, blacks, white, fill, brightness, contrast, clarity, and tone curve. If you have two copies of the exact same picture with the exact same WB settings but different processing, you'll have two different sets of skin tones. Therefore, if you want consistent skin tones, then it takes a lot of individual image colour correction. This is why I don't edit in batches as it can easily give inaccurate skin tones. This is also why I process in a neutral saturation, low contrast style. My default import saturation level preset is only at +2, and my blacks is set to 0.

And then to take it a step further, I didn't know how BAD I was processing skin tones until I got a professional colour critical monitor. It looked great on my old cheap but good DELL IPS monitor, but it was deficient in reds so I ended up processing skin with too much red in them. So accuracy starts with your hardware.


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Aug 26, 2010 12:08 |  #11

picturecrazy wrote in post #10792375 (external link)
Almost all basic sliders in lightroom affects skin tones. Of course, saturation/hue/luminan​ce does, but so does everything else like exposure, recovery, blacks, white, fill, brightness, contrast, clarity, and tone curve. If you have two copies of the exact same picture with the exact same WB settings but different processing, you'll have two different sets of skin tones. Therefore, if you want consistent skin tones, then it takes a lot of individual image colour correction. This is why I don't edit in batches as it can easily give inaccurate skin tones. This is also why I process in a neutral saturation, low contrast style. My default import saturation level preset is only at +2, and my blacks is set to 0.

And then to take it a step further, I didn't know how BAD I was processing skin tones until I got a professional colour critical monitor. It looked great on my old cheap but good DELL IPS monitor, but it was deficient in reds so I ended up processing skin with too much red in them. So accuracy starts with your hardware.

Would you recommend the brand monitor you got? :D


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Aug 26, 2010 12:09 |  #12

Karl, I'm no genius at this yet, but I struggled with trying to change WB settings, using grey cards, etc until I read that Jasmine Star uses AWB & I quit fighting that battle. Been pretty satisified in most cases.


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Aug 26, 2010 12:20 |  #13

Michelle Brooks Photography wrote in post #10793386 (external link)
Would you recommend the brand monitor you got? :D

I use the NEC LCD2690WUXi, which has been replaced with the LCD2690WUXi2. The LCD2490WUXi2 is probably the best one to jump into the critical colour accurate world with. Buy it with the "spectraview" package and you'll be singing when you see how well your prints match up to your screen. I thought it was good before... until I upgraded. But you MUST get the Spectraview package to calibrate it accurately. Otherwise it's no better than using something like an Apple cinema display with a spyder.


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Aug 26, 2010 12:49 |  #14

picturecrazy wrote in post #10793468 (external link)
I use the NEC LCD2690WUXi, which has been replaced with the LCD2690WUXi2. The LCD2490WUXi2 is probably the best one to jump into the critical colour accurate world with. Buy it with the "spectraview" package and you'll be singing when you see how well your prints match up to your screen. I thought it was good before... until I upgraded. But you MUST get the Spectraview package to calibrate it accurately. Otherwise it's no better than using something like an Apple cinema display with a spyder.

Thanks, Lloyd! :D


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Aug 26, 2010 14:47 as a reply to  @ Michelle Brooks Photography's post |  #15
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Bugger, I was hoping for a batch solution.

Oh the agony of thousand + image editing...


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