Dear Mods

I am not questioning your policy about us not being able to leave negative feedback for a member. I get the argument that there are two sides to every story.

My question is this...Why do you allow people to slam all the stores? Stores are much less likely to come on to this forum and defend themselves. Vendors such as Adorama even have good people like Helen that are members to help assist if needed. But yet, if I do a search for Adorama, I am guessing that over 70% will be "negative feedbacks"

because when it goes right no one posts or its expected

Hmm, guess this is not the hot button topic you'd have thought, huh?

me

MDJAK wrote in post #10800194
Hmm, guess this is not the hot button topic you'd have thought, huh?

me

I think its an interesting perspective. Forum members should be able to let others know if he/she was "scammed" by another member. I have had a member bought $100 worth of filters, told me a few days later that the filters were defective and asked for a refund. We agreed on a full refund (including shipping) and he was supposed to send the filters back (all were pristine when I shipped them). I sent the refund and he never sent the filters back or even replied to my messages. The same member is still here and also at the FM forum. I was just happy enought it was only a $100 transaction and not $5k.

I think refunding before receiving filters was a mistake. But surely a scam from the buyer. I heard Pekka is working on something and hopefully that will solve this. I believe there should be some way to notify others that this is what happened with me so that other members can take precautions before they go ahead. The problem with a standard negative thread would be that once a member leaves a negative feedback there will be too much going on back on forth on the same thread making it a complete mess. So, I guess something has to be done differently.

alpha_1976 wrote in post #10801572
I think refunding before receiving filters was a mistake. But surely a scam from the buyer. I heard Pekka is working on something and hopefully that will solve this. I believe there should be some way to notify others that this is what happened with me so that other members can take precautions before they go ahead. The problem with a standard negative thread would be that once a member leaves a negative feedback there will be too much going on back on forth on the same thread making it a complete mess. So, I guess something has to be done differently.

It was thanksgiving, almost Christmas, he was REALLY mad and I was trying to start a peaceful holiday season...

Can you explain your point here?

sigma pi wrote in post #10787857
because when it goes right no one posts or its expected

Two problems with this one is that the forum owner can be dragged into a potential defamation lawsuit unless a signed legal statement is submitted affirming your statement is true. Most forum owners don't need or want the hassle of having to deal with that type of thing to begin with and they shouldn't have to. Second thing is the scammers can simply dump their account make a new one and keep on trucking behind a proxy without anyone ever knowing who they are.

If someone got me even for $100 i would make a free blogger account listing their names along with anyone else who scammed me and clearly explain the story along side an image from Google Earth of their home address. Employers are now using major sites such as Google, Facebook and MySpace to dig up dirt on potential applicants. So if that person ever tried to get a job under that same address chances are the employer will not take a chance in hiring them. This could cost the person more then they might have ever imagined well into the future. You can also note on the site that if/when they decide to pay you will remove their name in good faith.

I don't think it will be that complicated. FM forum uses positive, neutral, and negative feedbacks system and I think nobody sued Fred yet so far.

Camel Toe Coalition wrote in post #10803407
Two problems with this one is that the forum owner can be dragged into a potential defamation lawsuit unless a signed legal statement is submitted affirming your statement is true. Most forum owners don't need or want the hassle of having to deal with that type of thing to begin with and they shouldn't have to. Second thing is the scammers can simply dump their account make a new one and keep on trucking behind a proxy without anyone ever knowing who they are.

If someone got me even for $100 i would make a free blogger account listing their names along with anyone else who scammed me and clearly explain the story along side an image from Google Earth of their home address. Employers are now using major sites such as Google, Facebook and MySpace to dig up dirt on potential applicants. So if that person ever tried to get a job under that same address chances are the employer will not take a chance in hiring them. This could cost the person more then they might have ever imagined well into the future. You can also note on the site that if/when they decide to pay you will remove their name in good faith.

If someone got me even for $100 i would make a free blogger account listing their names along with anyone else who scammed me and clearly explain the story along side an image from Google Earth of their home address. Employers are now using major sites such as Google, Facebook and MySpace to dig up dirt on potential applicants. So if that person ever tried to get a job under that same address chances are the employer will not take a chance in hiring them. This could cost the person more then they might have ever imagined well into the future. You can also note on the site that if/when they decide to pay you will remove their name in good faith.[/QUOTE]

damn straight... I'd love to grow my photography thru facebook,
but man. your footprint on the web is is way too visible to a potential employer.

nyktrade wrote in post #10803485
I don't think it will be that complicated. FM forum uses positive, neutral, and negative feedbacks system and I think nobody sued Fred yet so far.

Stars are not really feedback they are merely ratings where the feedback comes from a review of some type. The stars of course would not create a legal issue but reviews on the other hand can be. I have seen counterfeit Sandisk CF card reviews on Amazon with 3-4 start rating because it was replaced or they shipped fast or whatever as if they had no clue they were being ripped off purposely. Without the actual review to go along with the rating imho there is no way to understand how or why someone decided to actually rate something good or bad.

Mod Edit - But see: https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=10807203&po​stcount=14. This is why we do not want public negative feedback.

Jon

Ok, here's a situation where some sort of mandatory rating system would be useful.

Saw this POTN ad for a 50mm f/1.8 last night and was tempted to just send off the money. It's only $85, right?

I PM'd the seller and asked for references. As I was waiting to hear back from him, I looked at his previous posts and noticed that he had just barely met the requirements to post a for sale ad (all quick blurbs written within a two day period). I looked up his eBay username and noticed he had a bunch of sales of photo equipment.

But the kicker was that he had posted a WTB ad for a 50mm f/1.8 just a few days ago which he explained by responding, "Yeah. It was for a friend of mine. He wanted me to buy one for him. But then he decided he didn't want it anymore due to playing with his new telephoto lens. I don't want this lens either because I have a 50mm L lens, which no need for the nifty fifty."

Well how come your signature shows only two $100 lenses and doesn't mention your $1,500 L lens? And why are you selling your cherished 50D?

Maybe this guy is on the straight and narrow, but something just doesn't add up. I fear for the buyer who, without investigating, sends him $900 for the camera.

Camel Toe Coalition wrote in post #10804017
Stars are not really feedback they are merely ratings where the feedback comes from a review of some type. The stars of course would not create a legal issue but reviews on the other hand can be. I have seen counterfeit Sandisk CF card reviews on Amazon with 3-4 start rating because it was replaced or they shipped fast or whatever as if they had no clue they were being ripped off purposely. Without the actual review to go along with the rating imho there is no way to understand how or why someone decided to actually rate something good or bad.

Every star on FM has an actual review behind it...check before you comment

cacawcacaw wrote in post #10805392
... Maybe this guy is on the straight and narrow, but something just doesn't add up. ...

I just got a facebook message from him. He apparently is the same person as on his facebook site and has a rational explanation for the equipment - graduation presents.

Looks like I judged too quickly but, again, this is a good example of how some sort of rating system might increase the usefulness of POTN classifieds.

Camel Toe Coalition wrote in post #10803407
Two problems with this one is that the forum owner can be dragged into a potential defamation lawsuit unless a signed legal statement is submitted affirming your statement is true. Most forum owners don't need or want the hassle of having to deal with that type of thing to begin with and they shouldn't have to. Second thing is the scammers can simply dump their account make a new one and keep on trucking behind a proxy without anyone ever knowing who they are.

If someone got me even for $100 i would make a free blogger account listing their names along with anyone else who scammed me and clearly explain the story along side an image from Google Earth of their home address. Employers are now using major sites such as Google, Facebook and MySpace to dig up dirt on potential applicants. So if that person ever tried to get a job under that same address chances are the employer will not take a chance in hiring them. This could cost the person more then they might have ever imagined well into the future. You can also note on the site that if/when they decide to pay you will remove their name in good faith.

I am a member of MANY forums and all of them allow feedback of any kind