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Aug 27, 2010 12:45 |  #241

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Aug 27, 2010 13:17 |  #242

Dekka wrote in post #10800497 (external link)
This isn't like video or live view.

really? everyone whined (and still whining) about the exact same thing (esp video, i guess they finally got over liveview).

Dekka wrote in post #10800497 (external link)
That screen has a great potential to be a real nuisance. You're stuck with what must be, in the very least, a structural weakness that doesn't go away by simply disabling it in the menus.

Please give a single real-life example that indeed happened.



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Aug 27, 2010 13:31 |  #243

HyperYagami wrote in post #10800823 (external link)
Please give a single real-life example that indeed happened.

i can understand the concern. i've never owned a camera with a flip screen so i can't comment on long-term use of it, but i think the same concept from my old sony clie is pretty applicable.

it also had a flip screen which could be turned and locked down to be used like a regular handheld computer. i thought it would be a cool feature, so i purchased it. however, after a year or so of light use, the hinge area became looser and the device would "open" unintentionally when i picked it up off the table. the joint eventually gave, and i had to get rid of it. now, i only buy devices with articulating sections on a need-basis only. on a DSLR, i don't see this as all that useful, so i wouldn't be in favor of it finding it's way onto the other models that we depend on to be rugged against heavy use.


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Aug 27, 2010 13:32 |  #244

HyperYagami wrote in post #10800823 (external link)
really? everyone whined (and still whining) about the exact same thing (esp video, i guess they finally got over liveview).

I still do not use video nor do I intend to upgrade to a camera for the purposes of being able to. Is your point that since people like video in their camera they are going to like every change coming down the pike? Of course some are going to like it! What's your point?

Please give a single real-life example that indeed happened.

Seriously? Swivel screens have broken off MANY cameras rendering them unuseable. There are plenty of stories of swivel screen becoming loose and flopping open. And as one more thing driving up prices on gear, I'd rather they not incorporate yet one more thing that only a few seem to want but EVERYONE will have to pay for.


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Aug 27, 2010 13:36 |  #245

While I do think the swivel screen is kind of a neat feature, I too have had them break in the past and don't really want them on a $1000 camera.

Canon could prove me wrong, but I am not going to be a guinea pig for their first large swivel screen on a DSLR, and I am suspecting it won't be very long at all after release that we start seeing threads on POTN of screen problems.


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Aug 27, 2010 13:40 |  #246

Dekka wrote in post #10800497 (external link)
Eeek, keep that goofy stuff off the 1D line please. Don't even mention it. Considering Canon's track record of late they just might try pulling something like this with the upcoming 1Ds.

That thought gives me chills.

This isn't like video or live view. That screen has a great potential to be a real nuisance. You're stuck with what must be, in the very least, a structural weakness that doesn't go away by simply disabling it in the menus.


And thought by just as many to not be. MTF charts are not the be-all-end-all and many times sharpness isn't even the most important.

I still fail to see how this affects anyone who doesn't want it. I mean, if you don't want the screen to flip out, then don't flip it out!

For those who would use it, it's a great addition, even to the 1D series. I have a feeling that just like live view and video, this is going to be a fact of life, so for those against this, you might want to get used to it, because it's coming.




  
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Aug 27, 2010 13:41 |  #247

Todd Lambert wrote in post #10800933 (external link)
I still fail to see how this affects anyone who doesn't want it.

Do the people who don't want it not have to pay for it? Then it affects them.


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Aug 27, 2010 13:46 |  #248

Dekka wrote in post #10800897 (external link)
I still do not use video nor do I intend to upgrade to a camera for the purposes of being able to. <blah> What's your point?

you're confused "what you don't like" with "bad features".

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There are plenty of stories of swivel screen becoming loose and flopping open.

yes please give one.

while you're at at, go and say that to the canon p&s crowd about the uselessness of swivel screen and see what they say.



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Aug 27, 2010 13:46 |  #249

Dekka wrote in post #10800940 (external link)
Do the people who don't want it not have to pay for it? Then it affects them.

Yeah, well... maybe you need to go organize an anti-swivel movement or something. I hear that petitions work really well.

The price from model to model is generally the exact same or it even goes down. I fail to see where the price of a body went up, especially because of video or live view or screen is concerned. Correct me if I'm wrong.




  
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Aug 27, 2010 13:50 |  #250

Todd Lambert wrote in post #10800969 (external link)
The price from model to model is generally the exact same or it even goes down. I fail to see where the price of a body went up, especially because of video or live view or screen is concerned. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Concerning the 1D(s), which is what the context is, I don't think a 1D/1Ds has ever been cheaper than the model it replaces. In fact, the price increase has generally been dramatic.

Even so, concerning the other model lines, they could be even cheaper (!). :D

HyperYagami wrote in post #10800963 (external link)
you're confused "what you don't like" with "bad features".

You're confusing "bad feature" with "unecessary and unwanted."

yes please give one.

Google it yourself.

while you're at at, go and say that to the canon p&s crowd about the uselessness of swivel screen and see what they say.

I'm sorry, did we just become the "p&s crowd?" Then it's worse than I thought.


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Aug 27, 2010 13:51 |  #251

Todd Lambert wrote in post #10800969 (external link)
Yeah, well... maybe you need to go organize an anti-swivel movement or something. I hear that petitions work really well.

The price from model to model is generally the exact same or it even goes down. I fail to see where the price of a body went up, especially because of video or live view or screen is concerned. Correct me if I'm wrong.

not to mention canon has been doing swivel screen for years and years, and pretty much everything is tried and true. so suddenly they started breaking and driving the cost way up just because it's on a SLR for the 1st time?

jesus.



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Aug 27, 2010 13:53 |  #252

Dekka wrote in post #10800983 (external link)
You're confusing "bad feature" with "unecessary and unwanted to me."

fixed.

Google it yourself.

proof.

"p&s crowd?"

feeling superior just you have a 1d3?



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Aug 27, 2010 13:54 |  #253

HyperYagami wrote in post #10801001 (external link)
feeling superior just you have a 1d3?

:rolleyes:


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Aug 27, 2010 13:56 |  #254

Todd Lambert wrote in post #10800933 (external link)
I still fail to see how this affects anyone who doesn't want it. I mean, if you don't want the screen to flip out, then don't flip it out!

For those who would use it, it's a great addition, even to the 1D series. I have a feeling that just like live view and video, this is going to be a fact of life, so for those against this, you might want to get used to it, because it's coming.

thankfully, i think your predictions are a little too optimistic for articulating screens.

at least with the 1-series, canon has always valued dependability over convenience and i hope they continue that tradition. i see a flip screen like the mode dial. it may be easier to use, but it's a detriment to the reliability of the camera. you can disable video in a menu and never know it was there, but you can't disable a hinge. just like the dial, the chance if you engaging it are relatively high.


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Aug 27, 2010 14:00 |  #255

I'm disappointed that there was no 1Ds MkIV announcement. :(


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