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Aug 28, 2010 17:21 |  #1

Honest! A 51" white PLM V2 with Elinchrom mount adapter was delivered to my house last Wednesday. I've been away so only got to open the package and assemble the umbrella this afternoon when I returned (after a 5-1/2 hour drive). These are very quick and very dirty snapshots:

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I have only a few observations to offer at this point: First, the PLM is supplied without a protective sleeve or a Velcro'ed tab to keep it properly furled. One demerit right off the bat for that. Diameter across the face is approximately 42". Build quality seems to be alright especially considering the price point. The micro-rivets that fasten the internal struts to the outer ribs look a bit fragile but I'll reserve judgement until the umbrella has seen some use. Struts and ribs appear to be made of fiberglass rather than metal (potentially a good thing). Assembly is not at all straightforward nor is it quick. There are multiple parts that must be put together before the PLM V2 can be mounted using either the "cage" adapter or standard shaft. To use the dedicated Elinchrom or Alien Bee style cage, an adapter rod must be screwed to the cage hub. This requires a screwdriver (not supplied). The adapter rod is also required to mount the PLM conventionally using the supplied 7mm shaft extension. To do this, the adapter rod must be unscrewed from the cage. Whether using the cage or using the shaft, it appears that the PLM cannot be collapsed with the mounting hardware in place meaning some assembly and disassembly will be required every time the PLM is used. Bear in mind that the PLM actually consists of four parts (umbrella, cage, 7mm rod, adapter rod) that must be kept track of lest the device be rendered unusable. The supplied bolt and two lock washers must also be kept in a safe place. As can be seen from the above photos, the small PLM looks to be a very good match for the bare bulb Sunpak 120J mounted on a modified Kacey bracket.

My impression is that the Paul C. Buff PLM V2 is something of a Rube Goldbergesque design (http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Rube_Goldberg_m​achine (external link)); overly complicated considering the simple function it is required to perform. Unless there is truly some magic in the PLM's shape, a conventional 45" umbrella would be much quicker and easier to use. Remember, these are just first impressions, subject to change.

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Aug 28, 2010 17:44 |  #2

thanks dave :cool:


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Aug 28, 2010 17:49 |  #3

Nice!

BTW, very illustrative photos too. Many times it looks like photogs just shoot their new purchases with an iphone (not that I'm dissing the iphone).


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Aug 28, 2010 18:26 |  #4

Dave maybe when you are done playing you can look into modifying the joint of the cage to shaft connect with a simple quick disconnect air coupler. For a few bucks I think this would greatly improve the setup and take down to something you can at least live with.


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Aug 28, 2010 18:26 |  #5

Looks well-built! Thanks for sharing, Dave.




  
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Aug 28, 2010 18:38 |  #6

tetrode wrote in post #10807328 (external link)
.....Unless there is truly some magic in the PLM's shape, a conventional 45" umbrella would be much quicker and easier to use. Remember, these are just first impressions, subject to change.

Dave F.

For the trouble it seems one has to go thru from what you just described, I TOTALLY agree with you on this statement.....


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Aug 28, 2010 18:51 |  #7

J Kacey wrote in post #10807650 (external link)
Dave maybe when you are done playing you can look into modifying the joint of the cage to shaft connect with a simple quick disconnect air coupler. For a few bucks I think this would greatly improve the setup and take down to something you can at least live with.

I had mentioned in another thread, Jerry, that it was really the Elinchrom "cage" adapter I wanted, not the PLM umbrella itself. I was (and am) curious to see if the cage could be adapter for more general umbrella use. I was thinking a small, 3/8" keyless chuck like this, mounted to the cage hub, would be able to grab and hold most umbrella shafts:

http://www.amazon.com …hi&qid=12830387​74&sr=1-17 (external link)

I hadn't thought of using an air tool quick connect set. Very clever suggestion, Jerry. That might just work for the PLM anyway. I'll have to ruminate over that.

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Aug 28, 2010 18:58 |  #8

I wonder how much harder the largest PLM v2 would be to assemble on the spot. Do you think it gets easier, Dave?




  
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Aug 28, 2010 19:34 |  #9

Seanzky wrote in post #10807817 (external link)
I wonder how much harder the largest PLM v2 would be to assemble on the spot. Do you think it gets easier, Dave?

It had better! It undoubtedly does get "easier" but that's not the same as saying "easy". Look at this annotated image:

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The first thing I want to point out is that the short fixed shaft of the PLM is free of the sliding collar when the umbrella is collapsed. So, to initially open the PLM V2, you have to insert the fixed shaft into the collar. This is done by sliding your hand between the ribs, grabbing the fixed shaft, and guiding it into the collar. This procedure is as described in the instructions that come with the umbrella.

Once the shaft is properly positioned, the collar is pushed downward forcing the umbrella open. The collar will snap into place but must be secured using the locking screw. You are instructed to tighten the screw only enough to ease it into the receiving hole drilled in the fixed shaft. If the locking screw is advanced too far, the adapter rod cannot be slid into position.

Now the adapter rod (which either receives the 7mm shaft adapter or gets screwed onto the "cage") must be attached to the PLM. The adapter has a small hole drilled in it near one end. What you are supposed to do is advance the locking screw so that it just protrudes into the interior of the fixed shaft. You then slide the adapter rod into the open end of the fixed shaft until you feel the tip of the locking screw aligning with the hole drilled in the adapter rod. You might expect an indexing mark to have been scribed on the outside of the adapter rod so you would know instantly how far to insert it into the fixed shaft but that isn't the case. This has to be done totally by feel and can be frustratingly fussy to do when in a hurry (or not in a hurry, for that matter). When the hole in the adapter rod matches up with the locking screw, the screw is advanced to capture the adapter rod and lock it in place.

If you were planning to use one of the "cage" adapters (Elinchrom or AB), you would have had to have screwed the threaded end of the adapter rod to the cage hub using the supplied screw. As mentioned in my earlier post, you'll need a screwdriver to do this. Why a knurled knob couldn't have been provided instead of a screw is a mystery to me. If, instead, you wish to use the 7mm shaft extension, then that must be slid into the adapter rod and also secured in place using the locking screw.

So, Sean, sure one can become more adept at performing these steps but the fact remains there is an irreducible minimum number of steps required to assemble and disassemble the PLM V2 and that may prove unacceptable to some (many?).

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Aug 28, 2010 20:50 |  #10

tetrode wrote in post #10807328 (external link)
Diameter across the face is approximately 42".

Wait I thought it was 51" !?!?

Is this the true vs effective size ??




  
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Aug 28, 2010 20:59 |  #11

newnan3 wrote in post #10808256 (external link)
Wait I thought it was 51" !?!?

Is this the true vs effective size ??

The 51" is the measure of the fabric width on the backside of the softbox. (the opaque part). The size of the front opening will differ based on how hard of a curve (i.e. deep octa vs midi).

And unlike that whole "effective watt seconds" garbage, this is standard throughout the industry.


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Aug 28, 2010 21:03 |  #12

Cathpah wrote in post #10808284 (external link)
The 51" is the measure of the fabric width on the backside of the softbox. (the opaque part). The size of the front opening will differ based on how hard of a curve (i.e. deep octa vs midi).

And unlike that whole "effective watt seconds" garbage, this is standard throughout the industry.


Oh thanks, I didnt know how that worked.....




  
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Aug 28, 2010 21:15 |  #13

Cathpah wrote in post #10808284 (external link)
The 51" is the measure of the fabric width on the backside of the softbox. (the opaque part). The size of the front opening will differ based on how hard of a curve (i.e. deep octa vs midi).

And unlike that whole "effective watt seconds" garbage, this is standard throughout the industry.

My 7ft Photoflex Octadome 3 is 7 ft from rod tip to rod tip across the face.


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Aug 28, 2010 21:30 |  #14

Paul did confirm that setting up the PLMv2 is a bit more involved and time consuming. He did say the results are worth the effort though, so lets some some results :D!




  
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Aug 28, 2010 21:32 |  #15

J Kacey wrote in post #10808336 (external link)
My 7ft Photoflex Octadome 3 is 7 ft from rod tip to rod tip across the face.

Is that true?! Wow....I definitely didn't know that/hadn't heard of that. I even owned the 5' photoflex octa and didn't know that.

I stand corrected.


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