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Aug 29, 2010 12:52 |  #1

Hello everyone. Soccer season is in full swing and I wanted to post some images that I have for comment and criticism. I have been shooting for about 6 or so months now and wanted to see if my image quality is on the right track. Below are a few samples and the rest are on my site: www.jafferino.com (external link) , thanks.

Also, yes I hate my backgrounds in some of the shots. I am working on making my 70-200 reach as far as possible to obliterate the backgrounds into a nice bokeh.

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Aug 29, 2010 13:02 |  #2

I think you have got to crop much tighter in PP if you cant do it in the original shot to really concentrate on the peak of the action,have a look at my footy shots on my Flickr to get an idea of what I mean


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Aug 30, 2010 02:10 |  #3

#1 is kinda ok, I have no idea what #2 is suppose to be, except to be deleted instead of attached here for CC (no offense for this), and #3&4 have right timing, but cropping is way off. Crop tighter, much much tighter, and with tighter crop you get really great #3 & 4.


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Aug 30, 2010 19:07 |  #4

primoz wrote in post #10814679 (external link)
#1 is kinda ok, I have no idea what #2 is suppose to be, except to be deleted instead of attached here for CC (no offense for this), and #3&4 have right timing, but cropping is way off. Crop tighter, much much tighter, and with tighter crop you get really great #3 & 4.

2 was not meant to be put in, I had the wrong image link copied. But to explain it I was hoping to capture a sequence where the team in the foreground scored and to get the bench players celebrating out of focus and the field players celebrating in the background in focus. No offense taken. I know I am new and I love to hear things that help me work smarter and harder.

My biggest fear with cropping these images is that I will get a soft image since I am shooting with a 70-200 2.8 that does not have a lot of reach. I am getting a 2x TC in tomorrow and I should have updates that are hopefully shot much tighter so I do not have to crop out half a photo.

Thanks for the replies both of you.


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Sep 02, 2010 02:00 |  #5

I would echo the above really.
Crop PP if poss to focus on the action, otherwise get right down to the sidelines if that's allowed.
70-200 is a fine lens, didn't say what body you're using. Watch the TC, it will slow down the AF so try and allow for that before hitting the tit.
But don't worry when the action is away from you and you're sitting there thinking 'I wish I had a longer lens to get that' as in 5 mins they'll be all over you again. 2x45mins is plenty of time to get the action.
Try and keep the ball in the image and and look for facial expressions (headers/tackles/goals​/saves). Not forgetting celebrations of course!
I love shooting football (soccer), I do it every week.
At least your weather is better!

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Sep 02, 2010 16:25 |  #6

The 70-200 is great for youth soccer if you can roam the sidelines. The vast majority of the shots in my soccer galleries were taken with a 70-200 f/2.8. As stated above, the TC will certainly slow down your focus speed. Just wait for the action to come to you, or be prepared to crop...a lot.

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Sep 02, 2010 16:28 as a reply to  @ dinny66's post |  #7

You can look at my own soccer shots on my site below. My comments would be:

Crop should be much tighter. Switch between vertical and horizontal shooting depending on the situation. If horizontal ok to loosen up crop to get multiple players to tell a story. Depth of field is critical, shoot wide open. The one image I checked was shot at f8. Shutter speed should be 1/1250 or greater. Shoot from a low position upwards. Watch your backgrounds.


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Sep 02, 2010 20:12 |  #8

Thanks for the tips everyone. I think I am going to ditch the TC and just be more patient. I find myself forcing way too many shots instead of letting them come to me.


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Sep 04, 2010 13:07 |  #9

Got out again today without the 2x and had MUCH better results. The first set was taken on a gripped 50D and the second on a 1D2n. Again, criticism and comments are welcome. Thanks.

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Sep 04, 2010 15:26 as a reply to  @ ajaffe's post |  #10

Similar comments to those made previously. Crops need to be tighter on almost all shots. Backgrounds with poles do not work. DOF is critical. Many of your shots do not have a shallow DOF suggesting that you shot with a high aperture. Focus is mor difficult with your lens wide open. But your keepers will be better. Make certain that a shot tells a real story. A players back rarely does that. A player with the ball far from a challenging player is of little value.


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Sep 04, 2010 15:36 |  #11

I got a bit confused on your advice slimenta so I perused your website for examples and found a lot of similarities between our photos and in what you said does not work. Now I am even more confused. I can see what you are saying about picture 3 though, I wanted to keep 13 in frame because I felt it added to the hectic'ness of the penalty area and helped highlight her concentration on the ball.

I shot almost all of work at 2.8 with the exception of a few early ones that I did not post that were done at f5.6ish because I was switching between Tv and M. I am using a 70-200 so getting close enough for good separation is a bit more difficult than if I had a 300 or 400 prime.

But thank you, I will keep your advice in mind and work on getting better.


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Sep 05, 2010 03:37 |  #12

They look loads better mate. On #3 though trim out the two players on the right (poss even 3) and trim a bit off the left and top.

Goalposts are part of the game and sometimes are unavoidable. Were you sitting down or standing up? Sitting down low on a short stool and aim slightly up can help.


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Sep 05, 2010 13:01 |  #13

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They look loads better mate. On #3 though trim out the two players on the right (poss even 3) and trim a bit off the left and top.

Goalposts are part of the game and sometimes are unavoidable. Were you sitting down or standing up? Sitting down low on a short stool and aim slightly up can help.

How about this?

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The vast majority of my images are taken while on one knee or sitting down. My location dictates this as the team I am shooting played a 4 3 3 with lots of diagonal and wing play so I am positioning myself behind the end line to catch the wingers, forward, and overlapping runs from the midfielders and full backs. I am 6ft 10inches though so I have a taller angle even when I am down low.

Cheers, thanks for the comments and criticism.

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Sep 05, 2010 14:16 |  #14

More like this. The players on the right don't add to the image, at least for me.


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Sep 05, 2010 14:20 |  #15

I see you like 13 as well. I have a version like this but the rail comment made me over think it so I cut her out. I just feel she adds to the shot as it is more balanced.

Thanks Mike.


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