Sold my 7D...

Genome wrote in post #10842975
im willing to bet that if his main passion isn't fast action / wildlife then he wont.

That is, unless he doesn't like pattern noise in shadow details at low ISO settings either. Which most of us don't.

The 5D II to me is more of a dedicated high ISO full-frame prosumer camera body when it comes to quality performance.

Oh, and it does that full-motion capture thing.

Both are nice ... but the flash capabilities on the 7D make it a "go to" often for me. Plus, I shoot a lot of action.
The 7D's cropped sensor gives that extra reach with big zooms too. Not sure which of the two outperform each other on that issue (reach) when it comes to cropping though.

Mark II wrote in post #10843041
Both are nice ... but the flash capabilities on the 7D make it a "go to" often for me. Plus, I shoot a lot of action.
The 7D's cropped sensor gives that extra reach with big zooms too. Not sure which of the two outperform each other on that issue (reach) when it comes to cropping though.

For your shooting purposes and preference, I think the 7D is indeed fitting.

That, or a 1D IV if want to sacrifice some perspective reach for depth-of-field pronunciation.

Luminodio wrote in post #10843060
For your shooting purposes and preference, I think the 7D is indeed fitting.

That, or a 1D IV if want to sacrifice some perspective reach for depth-of-field pronunciation.

lol ... no spell check @ work

Mark II wrote in post #10843185
lol ... no spell check @ work

Wait wut.

Luminodio wrote in post #10843202
Wait wut.

Thought I made a pronunciation mistake.

carry on ...

Mark II wrote in post #10843257
Thought I made a pronunciation mistake.

Nope. You didn't.

you guys can surf potn at work? =D I thought some sites were monitored....

I can surf POTN at work, but none of the photo galleries (like flickr)
kinda annoying when I want to show photos to coworkers (yes it is extra work to load pictures onto my notebook from work )

back on topic: if the OP wants a 5Dm2 and is happy about getting it, who are we to judge? And I guess losing a memcard is the worst thing that can happen to a photographer.
I'd rather drop my camera to the ground than losing photos of my vacation. Can always buy a new camera but not reshoot those precious moments.

bohdank wrote in post #10843702

he's not wrong you know... It's just a question of it showing up in your shots on a regular basis and if it's an issue. But the 5Dii DOES have a pattern to it's noise both at low ISOs and then the banding issue at high ISOs. MOST people don't have issues with it, but that doesn't mean it's not a real issue that should be dismissed with a rolleyes from owners who aren't having issues.

Kinda like the 1Diii AF issues. People said it was user error (including canon) for the longest time.

jacobsen1 wrote in post #10844269
he's not wrong you know... It's just a question of it showing up in your shots on a regular basis and if it's an issue. But the 5Dii DOES have a pattern to it's noise both at low ISOs and then the banding issue at high ISOs. MOST people don't have issues with it, but that doesn't mean it's not a real issue that should be dismissed with a rolleyes from owners who aren't having issues.

Kinda like the 1Diii AF issues. People said it was user error (including canon) for the longest time.

This "Banding" issue .... does it show up with prints?

jacobsen1 wrote in post #10844269
he's not wrong you know... It's just a question of it showing up in your shots on a regular basis and if it's an issue. But the 5Dii DOES have a pattern to it's noise both at low ISOs and then the banding issue at high ISOs. MOST people don't have issues with it, but that doesn't mean it's not a real issue that should be dismissed with a rolleyes from owners who aren't having issues.

Kinda like the 1Diii AF issues. People said it was user error (including canon) for the longest time.

Yes, but most users never saw a problem since it happened with very specific circumstances.

Ya, I know this stuff is supposed to exist on the 5DII. You would think that, at least, the high ISO banding would show up for me, considering I primarily shoot performers on stage where the periphery is usually in various levels of darkness. So far, I haven't seen it. I do have one shot on my site that was actually fairly evenly lit, shot at ISO3200 that I had to push 3 stops and there is no banding or pattern noise, whatsoever.

The "problems" with the 5DII would show themselves, if they ever do, when doing very extreme processing, imo. A non issue for the majority, including me, unless pushing a ISO3200, 3 stops is not considered extreme. People should be aware of the possibility but to make it out as something which will show up in all your images, which some do by inuendo, is too much, imo.

Actually, about a year ago there was a rather long thread with lots of technical analysis (Rawanalyzer) and such and I submitted a shot, underexposed by 2 or 2.5 stops, I believe and it was put through the pixel peeping and there was no banding from my 5DII. Maybe it varies by body. I'm trying to remember whether it was a low or high iso sample I submitted.

I have seen some pattern noise though but I had to delibarately push it 3 stops or so, for a shot that didn't need to be pushed. I think some NR cleared it up.

Mark II wrote in post #10844383
This "Banding" issue .... does it show up with prints?

usually, yes.

bohdank wrote in post #10844590
Yes, but most users never saw a problem since it happened with very specific circumstances.

Ya, I know this stuff is supposed to exist on the 5DII. You would think that, at least, the high ISO banding would show up for me, considering I primarily shoot performers on stage where the periphery is usually in various levels of darkness. So far, I haven't seen it. I do have one shot on my site that was actually fairly evenly lit, shot at ISO3200 that I had to push 3 stops and there is no banding or pattern noise, whatsoever.

there are TWO different kinds of banding... One is high ISO banding and it really doesn't hit until 6400 from what I've seen. All of canon's bodies have had this except the 1 series pretty much. Not sure if the original 5D did but I think it did. The 5Dii does. But it's very obvious once you get to 6400.

the second issue isn't banding, it's patterned noise at LOW ISOs. This hits at 100. You'll see it in the shadows if you open them up in post a bit. Some people have an issue with it, others don't, but it's NOT camera specific, it's shot and processing specific.

There's actually a third type that's the maze pattern, but that's different and that IS body dependent. If you're seeing that get a replacement...

If you don't have an issue, good for you. But don't dismiss other people's opinions about it as being an issue. The 1DsIII solves both problems. It's not quite as good in terms of clean ISOs on the high ISO end, but it's very very close. But it doesn't band at all and has zero pattern to it's noise when opening shadows on the low end. It sucks because paying $5k more to get rid of a processing issue?

I don't discount it, I just don't assign the level of importance to it as some do.

I haven't heard any significant outcry over any of this from 5DII users which suggests that all of this rarely rears it's head.