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24''x36'' Print from Canon 20D

 
tsmakrakis
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Aug 18, 2005 15:41 |  #1

A client requested a family portrait on location and a 24''x36'' print of the portrait.

Am I goign to get a nice/sharp result with a RAW file from my 20D or do I need a higher resolution camera like the 1D (16.7MP)?

Note: 7 People in the portrait and I will use a tamron 28-75mm F2.8) lens.

What do you guys think?
Also how much would you charge just for the print?
Is a printer like EPSON 7800 good enough for that kind of print or are there labs that offer better quality?

Thanks very much.


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Aug 18, 2005 15:50 |  #2

Genuine fractals from http://www.lizardtech.​com/ (external link) is one of the industry standard programs for up sizing images for print.
Ive had some nice large prionts dine a while ago with my old 10D that came out very well.




  
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Aug 18, 2005 15:54 |  #3

First thought - try a dry run?

Second thought - 24"x36" works out at 96 dpi. This is somewhat less than the 150 dpi generally needed. But it is a large print and won't usually be scrutinised very close.

Third thought - is the lens good enough? If you have a 50mm prime available it would certainly be better.

There's little point talking about the printer or the price until you've sorted these issues to your satisfaction, so I would do a dry run.


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Aug 18, 2005 16:23 as a reply to  @ puttick's post |  #4

I'm in my office here looking at a 20 x 30 print from an image taken with my old D60 and it still looks great in my mind. I've had many clients comment on it so it isn't just me. I used a 28-70 2.8 L on my tripod-mounted D60. I resized in PS using 10% increments and sent it over the net to ez prints (http://www.ezprints.c​om). The cost for their 20 x 30 lustre print was $21.54 US and I was very pleased with the result. For 24 x 36 the cost is $27US. Take Puttick's advice and do a dry run first. Why not do your own family portrait first? That way you'll end up with a nice picture to display on your wall.

In addition to Genuine Fractals, you may also want to give Fred Miranda's Resize Pro a whirl.




  
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Aug 18, 2005 17:04 as a reply to  @ attu's post |  #5

attu wrote:
Genuine fractals from http://www.lizardtech.​com/ (external link) is one of the industry standard programs for up sizing images for print.
Ive had some nice large prionts dine a while ago with my old 10D that came out very well.

Lizardtech sold GF to onOne Software so the correct link is http://www.ononesoftwa​re.com/detail.php?prod​Line_id=2 (external link)


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Aug 18, 2005 17:25 as a reply to  @ KennyG's post |  #6

I second yenoram's comments. I have had several 20"x30" prints made from my D60 and 10D files and I can see absolutely no artifacts or pixellation in them. One that I shot with my 70-200 2.8 L IS in particular is as sharp as can be, even viewed from up close. I also sent my files to ez prints and am very pleased with their work and prices. A trial run should be well worth the under $30.00 cost.




  
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Aug 18, 2005 17:30 |  #7

I have a 20X24 on my wall from one of my 10D's and its excellent. For a client portrait shoot, if this were the only print that I was hired to shoot for these 7 people...then I would charge $25 for the session and another $50 for the print.

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Aug 18, 2005 17:30 |  #8
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I have Genuine Fractiles, and i dont even use it. I just resize everything in photoshop and it works out just great. Photoshop is pretty powerful, sometimes these 3rd party plugins dont help as much sa you think.

I still havent given GF an honest shot tho. I also find if kinda complicated to use. Can anyone help me with GF?????


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Aug 18, 2005 18:01 |  #9

Go to the lights right studio and download the resiaing action for photoshop...then follow the directions and make your client a happy camper...and you yourself will rest assured that print size is no longer an issue....

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Aug 18, 2005 18:48 as a reply to  @ Streetshooter's post |  #10

If you dont want to get new softwere and are using PS CS. You could try this. I had a 6mp file from my rebel. After doing all my processing I cropped it to a 4x5 ratio unsampled. Then as the last step I went into image size and turned resampling back on and check marked bicubic smoother and upsized it to 20x24 at 300ppi. Uploaded it to the printer and got it back a few days later and it looked incredable even up close. It was also a family portrait and my clients were thrilled with it.


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Aug 18, 2005 18:56 as a reply to  @ Headcase650's post |  #11

I second Headcase650's approach. I have done several 20x30's from my 20D. I took the raw file into a 16 bit image and then resized it in PS to 20x30 at 300 DPI (using the PS bicubic re-sampling). I used the high pass filter approach to smoothing and finally reduced the 16 bit image to 8 bits before I upoaded it for printing. I use www.whcc.com (external link) for my printing. I thought the results were excellent.


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Aug 18, 2005 19:07 as a reply to  @ Dchemist's post |  #12

Check out Elco Color Labs. They are having a special on some poster sizes that are pretty good. 20x30 for $9.95, 24x30 for $11.95, 30x40 for $19.90, 30x48 for $24.00 and 30x60 for $30.00. The only catch is you have to order two prints. They don't have to be 2 copies of the same file or the same size, but you have to order two posters total.

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Aug 18, 2005 19:10 as a reply to  @ MadMesh's post |  #13

MadMesh wrote:
I have Genuine Fractiles, and i dont even use it. I just resize everything in photoshop and it works out just great. Photoshop is pretty powerful, sometimes these 3rd party plugins dont help as much sa you think.

I still havent given GF an honest shot tho. I also find if kinda complicated to use. Can anyone help me with GF?????

Just be sure to upsize your photo in no more than 10% increments. Results in less artificats and noise. iThere is a tool somewhere here which plugs in to PS and automates this to a final print size you specify.


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Aug 18, 2005 19:11 |  #14
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So your saying all of this re-sizing action is just a matter of knowing tequnique in photoshop. Not extra software or plugins...


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Aug 18, 2005 19:11 as a reply to  @ Streetshooter's post |  #15

Streetshooter wrote:
Go to the lights right studio and download the resiaing action for photoshop...then follow the directions and make your client a happy camper...and you yourself will rest assured that print size is no longer an issue....

www.thelightsrightstud​io.com (external link)

don

thats what i was referring too.. didnt read the whole thread... jehehe

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