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clients wants to bring police officer companion to boudoir shoot

 
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Sep 10, 2010 10:44 |  #16

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As a woman, I would be checking up on you as well. There is no way that I would be getting partially/fully nude in front of someone that I didn't absolutely, 100%, fully trust with my safety.

While absolutely true, the argument that is often made is "you've gone out on a date without an escort before, right?"


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Sep 10, 2010 11:03 |  #17

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While absolutely true, the argument that is often made is "you've gone out on a date without an escort before, right?"

As I just mentioned, the OP himself suggested that she bring an escort. I don't understand why the occupation of the escort should matter.

The woman who does bring an escort my well be a woman who does not go out on a date unescorted with a man she has just met for the first time...and not with the intention up front of removing her clothes.


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Sep 10, 2010 11:28 |  #18

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While absolutely true, the argument that is often made is "you've gone out on a date without an escort before, right?"

If I was going out on a date with someone, I would know that someone. I don't date strangers and I don't get naked in front of them either. And because someone will mention it... blind dates. If I don't trust the person(s) setting me up on a blind date, then I will not go. As for going out on a first date with someone that I maybe don't know that well, it will be in a relatively public place (restaurant) and I will drive myself there and back.
Doing a boudoir photo shoot is not like going on a date. This event will be in a private, intimate location and one of the parties will not be fully dressed. It can be really stressful, scary situation for someone who has never done it before. And even if they have done them before, a new, unknown, person/location is going to have the same effect.
This woman wants to know that she is not going to be hit on/molested/raped/kill​ed, or have anything else unwanted happen to her. You don't know her past either, something may have happened to her that makes her more cautious now.

*Nothing against those who do date strangers and maybe get naked with them. Just looking at it from the more cautious point of view.*


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Sep 10, 2010 11:35 |  #19

I'm just wondering how much scrutiny should he be willing to but up with? What if the guy she bring is a fake police officer? How is he supposed to know the guy is real? What if the guy is a hothead and gets set-off for no reason?

He has a right to protect himself, as well.


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Sep 10, 2010 11:40 |  #20

throwing down the 'my friend the police officer' is just her way of taking control of the relationship.

YOU are 'just' the photographer here, and this shoot is all about her.

Meeting them could either be fun and interesting, or scary and antagonizing, depending on how you choose to react to her throwing that out there.

If your leaning towards the latter, ya, maybe you should tell her that this is very creative work, and you generally take input on what look the customer wants to create, and then respectfully ask that they follow your directions to achieve it. If she can't work that way, she may be better off working with a different photographer.

if the former, its going to be your usual fun shoot, with great pics at the end of the session! :)




  
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Sep 10, 2010 11:41 |  #21

I would tell her to bring the whole SWAT team if she wants!

If you have nothing to hide ........ what's wrong with a police officer showing up?

More than likely it will be an off-duty officer in or out of uniform and he/she has to respect your privacy and your rights regardless.


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Sep 10, 2010 11:47 |  #22

Personally, I'd be mortified to hear that either of my stepdaughters (24 and 22) went to a photographer's home or studio for a shoot WITHOUT a) knowing the person; b) recommendations from family and/or friends; c) any forethought to personal safety.

Also, I don't see why several of you guys are offended by a young woman's attempt to safeguard herself from someone she doesn't know. Better safe, than sorry.

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Sep 10, 2010 11:50 as a reply to  @ enrigonz's post |  #23

More than likely it will be an off-duty officer in or out of uniform and he/she has to respect your privacy and your rights regardless.

Unless she's the state governor, it will undoubtedly be an off-duty officer and out of uniform (although many--if not most-- off-duty officers in the US do carry weapons on them).

I'm just wondering how much scrutiny should he be willing to but up with? What if the guy she bring is a fake police officer? How is he supposed to know the guy is real? What if the guy is a hothead and gets set-off for no reason?

He has a right to protect himself, as well.

I don't understand this point of view. The OP himself suggested that she bring an escort. Now we're only talking about what the escort does for a living.

Some women have truly scary friends, or friends willing to be accomplices in a false sexual assault charge...that's the kind of thing photographers have to be careful of these days (one female photographer was killed by her supposed client last year). What if she had said, "I'm bringing my drug-dealer boyfriend?"

An off-duty police officer is likely the best escort she could bring for the safety of both of them. Certainly nothing to be afraid of.


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Sep 10, 2010 11:57 as a reply to  @ RDKirk's post |  #24

I suppose this is true if the officer is for real. Now I feel, that I have to bring my own escort!!! lol

It gets better...sounds like she is sneaking around now....

"I won't send you a picture of me, instead I'm trusting you to go to my Facebook page and basically look but don't touch, please do not comment on my page, status or picture. It's only for you to look!!"

I also found it odd that she wasn't interested in seeing ANY of my past work....she said, how do I know it's really your work? She said she will bring samples of the looks she wants for me to mimic.




  
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Sep 10, 2010 12:38 |  #25

I have no problems with escorts. And being a cop is a moot point to me. However if she said he was a MMA Champ I might have second thoughts.

Seriously though. I would just get very neutral on this client. If it happens... you get the money, if not... you save the trouble. Let her do all the leg work. I will bet she will be a pain, and not be worth the money you will make from her.


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Sep 10, 2010 12:57 as a reply to  @ Mark1's post |  #26

Have her bring the escort. You bring the biggest, meanest looking guy you know and dress him in a dark sharkskin suit and have him stand in one corner of the room. Silently.

If either the model or escort say anything tell them you don't trust cops ;)


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Sep 10, 2010 12:57 |  #27

Funny^^^^^ You can have an assistant available too because you don't trust them. You don't know what they are up to. Was she referred to you? Maybe find out how she came to contact you and if it was a referral, call that person about the potential client. Tell them you will have an assistant to because you don't know them; it works both ways.

Meet them 1st before making your decision. She could know a whole bunch of other ladies wanting to do the same.

I'm no lady but I totally agree with this. What if it were your daughter?

I don't see a problem with it being a cop or the CIA as long as they don't bother me. Most likely it will be a female cop that may have some great ideas and allow the client to be more comfortable and creative. Just be clear in the contract about interference as stated above.

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As a woman, I would be checking up on you as well. There is no way that I would be getting partially/fully nude in front of someone that I didn't absolutely, 100%, fully trust with my safety. And that's not just at the time of the shoot, but with my photos afterwards as well. Seeing a picture of you goes a long way in that checking up too. Not to be biased, but just from personal history, there are some types of looks that just come across as creepy to me. Personally, I would have taken you up on some of the contacts, but as she said, there is no way to truly know if they are real or fake contacts. Having a cop friend come along is convenience for her. I have some friends in the law, and I would bring them too. She may be using it as a 'scare tactic' towards you, but you shouldn't be scared. IF you are an upright, honest, professional, SAFE person to work with. This is what she is looking for. If you drop out at the mere mention of a cop, then you will be telling her that you are not someone to be trusted. That you want to run/hide from the law.
There is a chance that she may be a b-witch to work with, but on the other hand, she may be totally awesome and when she discovers that you are indeed great to work with will go and tell all her friends that she found someone totally trustworthy.
I have zero trust in you too. You need to prove that you are trustworthy. Just one of those ways that women work.


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Sep 10, 2010 13:14 |  #28

Hmmm just make sure you dont end up handcuffed to a pole while the "cop" and women steal all your equipment.


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Sep 10, 2010 13:17 |  #29

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Hmmm just make sure you dont end up handcuffed to a pole while the "cop" and women steal all your equipment.


Good point! If he is a real law enforcement professional, they'd have no problem showing you their identification beforehand. Don't forget about your own safety in this venture.


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Sep 10, 2010 13:23 |  #30

I put myself in her position and I applaud her. I put myself in your position, and feel offended. I try to put myself in an objective position, and both sides are right. If it were ME, I'd put on my big boy underwear and get over the insult, and shoot it. I would have a female assistant to make hair and posing adjustments, act very professionally, and you might build up some referrals for more portraiture. Boudoir and otherwise. Don't overthink it.


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