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clients wants to bring police officer companion to boudoir shoot

 
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Sep 10, 2010 13:31 |  #31

I think at this point, your decision to go ahead with this shoot should be based on other criteria. Like her not wanting to see any of your work, that sounds a little off. I would go to the meet and greet and see what you think from there. You can always say 'I'm not sure we are right for each other' and refer her to someone else.
The 'What If' game can go on forever. Look at the situation overall and then decide.


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Sep 10, 2010 14:00 |  #32

Jill-of-all-Trades wrote in post #10884989 (external link)
This woman wants to know that she is not going to be hit on/molested/raped/kill​ed, or have anything else unwanted happen to her.

I'm not disagreeing with what you say, but all of those things can happen just as easily in any other situation. She could be groped on a crowded subway at least as easily in the studio and at least she would know for sure who had done it when there's only her and a photographer. If the "photographer" was really a rapist looking for his next victim then all he needs to do is follow her home and attack her when the escort isn't around. She will probably provide her name, address and phone number when filling out the contract.

If the model/subject/client is nervous about being naked in front of a camera and needs a friend to hold their hand then by all means bring them along. If it makes her more comfortable then the pictures will come out better and good pictures is the whole point of the exercise. But trying to claim that there is any greater risk of attack during a photo session is simply being insulting to photographers.


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Sep 10, 2010 14:32 as a reply to  @ krb's post |  #33

I agree.

It's similar to the saying "don't go somewhere where you feel you need a police escort, anywhere where you wouldn't go without them." You are just asking for trouble. And yes, that is insulting to photographers.




  
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Sep 10, 2010 14:33 |  #34

Will she but naked on the subway?

Will she be butt naked alone in front of a photographer/stranger?

If something did happen in a studio, it's one person's word against another's word. If on a subway there could be witnesses - not always but more likely than if you are alone in a studio.

The risk is greater when folks are alone. When sexual assaults are committed, they tend to be done when no ones around. I don't know the % but I'd bet many dollars that it's a very, very high percentage

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I'm not disagreeing with what you say, but all of those things can happen just as easily in any other situation. She could be groped on a crowded subway at least as easily in the studio and at least she would know for sure who had done it when there's only her and a photographer... But trying to claim that there is any greater risk of attack during a photo session is simply being insulting to photographers.


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Sep 10, 2010 14:41 |  #35

USER876 wrote in post #10886070 (external link)
I agree.

It's similar to the saying "don't go somewhere where you feel you need a police escort, anywhere where you wouldn't go without them." You are just asking for trouble. And yes, that is insulting to photographers.

The OP himself suggested she bring an escort.

All we're discussing here is the occupation of the escort.


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Sep 10, 2010 15:09 |  #36

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The OP himself suggested she bring an escort.

All we're discussing here is the occupation of the escort.

I am the original poster. An escort yes, but this person seems to be going out of their way to bring a police officer, and also making it well known in advance (as if it's necessary).

Anyway, a ton of people here shoot first timers, I wonder how many bring such an escort....




  
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Sep 10, 2010 15:13 |  #37

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I am the original poster. An escort yes, but this person seems to be going out of their way to bring a police officer, and also making it well known in advance (as if it's necessary).

Anyway, a ton of people here shoot first timers, I wonder how many bring such an escort....

I never shoot a female subject alone--for my own protection. Too many screwball women out there. So I'll also have an assistant of my own.

I personally prefer the subject bring a female friend or female relative rather than a male, but a male who is not emotionally attached to her, however that doesn't guarantee protection against a screwball woman--they may both be screwballs.

If there is to be only one other person present, a police officer is about the best bet. You're upset over nothing.


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Sep 10, 2010 15:16 |  #38

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Will she but naked on the subway?

What does that have to do with anything?

Let me phrase it this way. Over the years I have personally known women who have been assaulted by:
- taxi drivers
- co-workers
- workmen brought to their home to fix things
- pizza delivery men
- men who entered the womans fitting room in a store
- a man who came into the office building and attacked a woman in the ladies restroom
- even one case of a policeman offering an 'easy' way out of a speeding ticket

Not a single one of those cases started with the woman being naked.


I'm not saying that a woman should not take care when working with a photographer. I'm saying that being more careful with a photographer than she would under any other circumstance is just plain stupid.


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Sep 10, 2010 15:48 |  #39

Are there specific types of escorts?

Why not just meet up with them, check id (no minors), discuss contract terms and agreement and go from there. It sounds like you are afraid of something or there's something you don't want revealed. See how that suspicion can be reversed. If you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem.

Tell you what, let me take your savings and invest it for you; no I won't give references, nor can you review my history. I have been in this business a long time. Trust me. What do you think.

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I am the original poster. An escort yes, but this person seems to be going out of their way to bring a police officer, and also making it well known in advance (as if it's necessary).

Anyway, a ton of people here shoot first timers, I wonder how many bring such an escort....


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Sep 10, 2010 15:54 |  #40

Well, we are not in the shoes of these ladies and can never be. Whether we choose to see it or not, we know what goes on in this world how women are abused, attacked raped etc. and the chances increases when you are alone with an unknown, butt naked...sorry. Not saying anyone here is a freak, but one never knows.

Bottom line is would you want/feel safe if your daughter did a shoot like this without anyone there? If you can answer yes to that question then you are of a different breed or don't have kids. If you don't have kids, you just can't understand where I am coming from...no matter what.

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What does that have to do with anything?

Let me phrase it this way. Over the years I have personally known women who have been assaulted by:
- taxi drivers
- co-workers
- workmen brought to their home to fix things
- pizza delivery men
- men who entered the womans fitting room in a store
- a man who came into the office building and attacked a woman in the ladies restroom
- even one case of a policeman offering an 'easy' way out of a speeding ticket

Not a single one of those cases started with the woman being naked.


I'm not saying that a woman should not take care when working with a photographer. I'm saying that being more careful with a photographer than she would under any other circumstance is just plain stupid.


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Sep 10, 2010 16:11 |  #41
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If you decide not to shoot her then you should at least suggest another legit photographer to her. This next statement is not intended for anybody who posted in this thread. Being a member on this site does not make someone legit. There's been posters who I thought and still believe they are in photography for the wrong reason. There's a couple in particular who hasn't posted in a while who I wouldn't be surprised if they were in jail. Again, this is not intended towards anybody who has posted here...yet lol.


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Sep 10, 2010 16:49 |  #42

The pre shoot meeting is imperative!

I always tell my boudoir clients that I try to have at least a female assistant at the shoot or my wife. I get a feel for what the client wants before hand and set any expectations. I allow escorts as long as they don't get in the way or try to dictate to me. I've never had an issue to date. If I get a 'feeling' that something is not right, well that time just got booked and all other times are booked also.

Her not wanting to see your previous work is a red flag though. How does she know you are the right photographer for the style she wants? Her saying that the escort will be a cop, doesn't bother me. Heck, I'm a former cop and I'd be able to talk shop and know if that person is truly who they say they are.

Take the preshoot meeting, preferably in a very public place, and interview her like you were going to hire her. Totally understand what she wants and set her expectations. Bring your portfolio and show her what you shoot. Make sure you are both comfortable and make your decisions accordingly.

She may truly be nervous, the last lady I shot boudoir with was also nervous, but she said that because I had a female assistant, and that assistant had modeled for me before, that she was very comfortable.

In our preshoot discussions, she wasn't going to do any more than the lingere, but after meeting my assistant, seeing how I shoot, and witnessing my professional manner with her, she got comfortable with me, it all came off. She, and her husband, have some fantastic images. He even bought digital images for his laptop!

So are there some flags? Yes, it's up to you to determine if they are just hoops to jump through or true obstacles to the shoot.

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Sep 10, 2010 17:01 |  #43

You are a professional just like any lawyer, plumber, or doctor. Ask her if she brings the police officer to her visits to her doctors.


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Sep 10, 2010 17:23 |  #44

To me, it doesn't matter that the escort is police officer. Sure, bring any escort you want, I don't care.

What bothers me is the fact that she basically called the OP a liar. "How will she know if the references are real.... How will she know if his Portfolio was done by him....."

Very insulting!!

How do you know? Because I am telling you! That's How!!

Since you have trusts issues, and don't trust me from the beginning, then I don't want to work with you.


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Sep 10, 2010 18:52 |  #45

Reading your OP I see that you suggested a pre-shoot meeting. My suggestion would be have the pre-shoot meeting and suggest she bring her police officer friend with her. That way she can get a better feel for you and you can also get a better feel for what she may be like to work with.




  
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