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I've handled the 60D and I apologise to Canon....

 
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Sep 12, 2010 10:21 |  #31

Good first hand impression of the camera - would be interested more in the performance of the camera - nonetheless thanks for sharing! :)


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Sep 12, 2010 10:23 |  #32

timbop wrote in post #10894165 (external link)
The guy held the camera for a few minutes at a trade show and doesn't have any actual images to view - just the fact that they "looked great" on the lcd.

That's not a hands-on review


Perhaps you read something different than me, but OP never stated the photos "looked great". The original post said nothing about image quality, and later it was only an offhand remark to someone who asked about it. I am able to tell whether or not the photo I just took is sharp or not on my lcd. Does canon ever introduce an upgraded camera with worse image quality? Thanks for your input though, you enlightened us.


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Sep 12, 2010 10:36 |  #33

mfiery wrote in post #10894241 (external link)
Perhaps you read something different than me, but OP never stated the photos "looked great". The original post said nothing about image quality, and later it was only an offhand remark to someone who asked about it. I am able to tell whether or not the photo I just took is sharp or not on my lcd. Does canon ever introduce an upgraded camera with worse image quality? Thanks for your input though, you enlightened us.

Look at the post above from 316photo; he interprets the OP's experience as if it was more than holding the cam for 5 minutes.

My point was that more thorough testing under controlled conditions amounts to a review. The OP only had enough time to form an impression, and it is being interpreted as a "review".

When the sigma 50 1.4 came out and the first shots surfaced (along with first impression by guys who used it for 15 minutes), it was proclaimed to be the holy grail. After a few months it became obvious that the thing had warts, and was not the miracle it initially seemed to be. Not to bash sigma, the canon 50 1.2's focus shift took some time to find.


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Sep 12, 2010 10:49 |  #34

MOkoFOko wrote in post #10893314 (external link)
I honestly cannot imagine the screen being that solidly build... I have to presume that's the weak point in the build.

"Have to"? What compels you to make this presumption? A gun to your head? Some contractual obligation, perchance?

How many complaints have you heard about the swivel screens on the Powershot series failing? What basis do you have for concluding that the swivels are weak?


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Sep 12, 2010 11:07 |  #35

i saw it somewhere where Canon says you can also hold onto the lcd screen to help stabilze the footage while filming. In that case it must be quite sturdy if Canon recommends that.


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Sep 12, 2010 11:27 |  #36

Thanks for posting some real, hands on impressions.

Weeks of crying all for nothing.


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Sep 12, 2010 11:46 |  #37

Testing a (usually statistically calculated) sample of a batch for some parameter is an accepted way of balancing 1) the huge extra cost of testing every single unit for every single parameter - which we would not want, because it would jack up the prices too far, with 2) an "acceptable" rate of returns for failing to meet specifications. No manufacturing process is failure-free. For the focus issue, the failure can come when each element (lens and body) is in spec but at the opposite ends of their allowable range. For Canon, what they consider acceptable influences the cost for the item, but for an individual who receives a failing unit, it is always "unacceptable" :( Do we all want to pay 25% more for each lens so the returns rate to Canon (and the number of upset customers) goes down from X% to 1/2 X%?


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Sep 12, 2010 11:51 as a reply to  @ AJSJones's post |  #38

If only they would have added micro-adjust, then it would have been a contender.


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Sep 12, 2010 12:09 |  #39

vid1900 wrote in post #10894489 (external link)
Thanks for posting some real, hands on impressions.

Weeks of crying all for nothing.

riiiiiight. 5 minutes of hand holding is enough to tell you about the long term viability of the camera, as well as af accuracy, etc.

Anyone ever heard of the dehaviland comet? How about the 1d mark 3?


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Sep 12, 2010 12:16 |  #40

MOkoFOko wrote in post #10893314 (external link)
I honestly cannot imagine the screen being that solidly build... I have to presume that's the weak point in the build.

I can't understand everyone freaking out about the screen. If you are afraid it's going to break, turn so the screen is out and use it just like your fixed screen...I look at it as a bonus, just like movie mode. I don't have to use it(I owned a G2 for several years, the articulating screen was never a problem, I used it all of the time, backwards for screen protection, forwards as a monitor, to the side for odd angles, never had a problem). It's a moot point.


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Sep 12, 2010 12:17 |  #41

timbop wrote in post #10894697 (external link)
riiiiiight. 5 minutes of hand holding is enough to tell you about the long term viability of the camera, as well as af accuracy, etc.

Anyone ever heard of the dehaviland comet? How about the 1d mark 3?


Name me one camera review in the history of camera reviews, professional or not, that has done long term test of the camera?

The guy was just saying how it was to USE the camera, so stop trying to be cranky for no reason.


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Sep 12, 2010 12:22 |  #42

apersson850 wrote in post #10893347 (external link)
For what purpose?

It's either not needed, in which case you'll not miss it, or you do need it, in which case it will not do the job.

Equipment with problems typically require calibration at different focal lengths and/or focusing distances or the camera requires adjustments within the mechanics of the AF sensing. The micro adjustment can't do more than one thing, at one point.

The only thing micro adjustment will do is wasting your time before you give up and do what you should have done in the first place, have the equipment calibrated properly.

Well that may be what you think of it but I have adjusted a couple lenses and "never" had to send a body or lens back. If you get a kick out of having your equipment tied up in the mail or Canon tech then I say to each his own. And I would never trade MFA for a articulating screen.


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Sep 12, 2010 12:28 |  #43

tkbslc wrote in post #10894738 (external link)
The guy was just saying how it was to USE the camera, so stop trying to be cranky for no reason.

agreed. someone who used the actual thing actually took time to write some 1st impressions, and all the naysayers came all out and say you only used it for 5 mins those don't count 60D still crap while never even touched or seen the darn actual thing.

internet is wonderful.



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Sep 12, 2010 12:58 |  #44

Let's see......MA..on all my other cameras the lens need some sort of adjustment, some like my 35L up to a +15, if I buy a 60D it looks like I will have to send it plus my lens to canon for them to adjust. Plus, my 70-200L will have to go also because it is +6. I will never purchase a camera that doesn't have the ability to Micro Adjust my lens. Funny, it seems that Canon's earlier cameras like my 1D Mark II doesn't even need MA, all my lens work properly. So what's up Canon?


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Sep 12, 2010 13:08 |  #45

timbop wrote in post #10894165 (external link)
The guy held the camera for a few minutes at a trade show and doesn't have any actual images to view - just the fact that they "looked great" on the lcd.

That's not a hands-on review

timbop wrote in post #10894697 (external link)
riiiiiight. 5 minutes of hand holding is enough to tell you about the long term viability of the camera, as well as af accuracy, etc.

Anyone ever heard of the dehaviland comet? How about the 1d mark 3?

Why are you even here?

The guy got to hold and use the camera for a minute and gave his opinions on it, and just because he showed some positivity towards it, you come crawling out of your cave to bash his impressions of it. He didn't promise or guarantee any "long term" anything.

To deem someone's hands-on impression and priliminary opinions on the camera irrelevant or false just because you disagree and have some apparent hatred for the camera just goes to prove that you sir, are an a**


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