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Do digital photos look different from film photos?

 
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Aug 20, 2005 00:49 |  #1

Currys, a national chain of photographic and electrical retailers here in the UK announced, the other day that they are to stop stocking film camera and films. They say that the sale of digital cameras is 15 times that of film cameras:

Currys also stated that a survey showed that 93% of those questioned could not tell a digital from a film photo; this is a very interesting statistic - could the 7% REALLY tell the difference or did they make a lucky guess - I would have expected lucky guesses to be a higher ratio.

I would be interested to hear comments from members.

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Aug 20, 2005 06:02 |  #2

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Do digital photos look different from film photos


Depends who you talk to.

Iv had people ask if A3 sized prints from my A80 were taken with a medium format film camera.
Clearly they had no idea what they were talking about, at A3 small JPEG jaggies become evident at close inspection, but I bet that only 1% of people could tell the digital from the film of maybe 1% of all the prints ever made.



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Aug 20, 2005 08:10 |  #3

93% of those questioned probably could not tell a good pic from a bad pic, either! I once had a Mavica user, the one that put pics on a 1.4MB floppy disc, that she got GREAT 8X10" prints from it. For her, they were great, for most of us?
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Aug 20, 2005 18:14 |  #4

Most of what gets published now days, even it was shot on film, is edited digitaly anyway.
Once a film negative has been scanned it becomes a digital photo IMO and open to all the same image inhancment techniques one taken with a digital camera is. Its of course also restricted in the same way by things like max resolution etc.



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Aug 20, 2005 20:21 |  #5

It's about the image and not how the image is processed or even captured. I can see a difference between my Platinum 8 x 10's and my silver prints. I also see a difference between my silver prints and my digital prints. What does this mean? It means that photography has many different means of capture and printing. It always did. My favorite way to view an image has always been in really good books, and Photo Gravures. But the image is all that really matters and the way it's captured or printed only has to satisfy the photographer. Just forget about comparisions between processes and cameras and think in terms of images. View each as it's own separate entity and forget about process...it just gets in the way of the images life......enjoy....don


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Aug 22, 2005 10:16 |  #6

One interesting thing with digital photography that is often over-looked when making comparison to film is that, while the film eventually gets scanned, it takes place under very controlled conditions using PMT based drum scanners were disk storage is not an issue.

As an example, a few years back when I was planning the budgeting for storage space for a stock agency I worked for, I did a blind test where I printed out a few 8x10 where the originals came from 4x5's scanned with our drum scanner, but in one copy the resulting tiff was outputted directly and in the other a high quality Jpeg where user. No other processing separated the prints. Even blown up in PS, one could not see any visual artifacts on the Jpeg.

Yet, when these prints where presented to the art director, he immediately select the one from the tiff file.

When asked why, he said the selected image have a much better depth separation, which I only saw after having been told about it. The jpeg simply looked flatter that the tiff as if the jpeg process seem to have compressed the dynamic range of the image.

Now this was several years ago using PS 4. Better processing engines may have improved the jpg compression etc.

But, as new crops of professionals enter the food chain, who may never have worked with film based material, I think we will lose the ability to see the differences because we aren't tuned into them.

Just my rant.


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Aug 22, 2005 12:46 |  #7

As long as the pixels are shrunk when getting printed rather then enlarged I don't think so. Well Not too much. I can notice the difference but most I doubt it. I can see the difference because I took the picture and know what it looks like on screen. Others do not. But I have found that 95% of my printed digital pictures done by a lab are equal to film. Only the ones I can notice something, usually not much is the ones I altered or close cropped.


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Aug 22, 2005 12:52 |  #8

In terms of print size, no not really. If you blow an image up, yes, but with little interpolation, in terms of quality, no. However, can you tell the difference when looking at colour, contrast, DR and noise? Yes.

If a film shot is digitally edited, that makes it harder, so then you can't tell much of a difference, but if you take shots straight out of a camera, then film will be noticeably different.



  
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Aug 22, 2005 14:47 |  #9

I think the question was whether they looked "different" ... not necessarily better or worse or whether you can tell the difference between the two.

To that answer, I say yes in a side by side comparision of exact subject with exact exposure and condition.




  
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Aug 25, 2005 05:53 |  #10

I think film has a warmer look to it than digital and you need to understand how to use film to get the look you want. I don't think I will go back to using my 5 film cameras. I love my digital.
If digital keeps going like it is, who knows film may be a thing of the past. Only time will tell.


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Aug 25, 2005 14:55 |  #11

Everyone says there's nothing like looking at slide film on a lightbox for the first time.

I can't wait till I get good enough to actually shoot my *own* slides :)


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I've only shot about 10 rolls of film, but I am able to get FAR better results with my Drebel. What I got from film was weak colors, graininess at 400 and 800 speed film, and what I considered to be too bright highlights. Exposure and shadows are much more easily adjusted through PP shooting RAW.


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Aug 28, 2005 19:19 as a reply to  @ Hellashot's post |  #13
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My brother is a technician for Noritsu, purveyor of fine one-hour photo machines. On a large enough print, he can tell the difference pretty quickly. I've shown him some 8X10's printed on my Epson, though, which have stumped him.

As far as I'm concerned, the digital prints I produce are perfect, and every bit as good as film...

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Aug 28, 2005 19:45 |  #14

This is an interesting thread, and a subject that popped up at a photographic convention I chaired on the weekend. A number of delegates - and old professional hands at that - still shoot film, having experienced the digital revolution. They didn't knock digital work, but insisted that they have better control over their exposures with film. What they did admit though was that they scan their negs at the highest resolution thay can (I think it was 1400 dpi or so) and then they 'work' them. One of them, a very accomplished photographer who has worked all over the world in the past 30 years says he doesn't trust PC hard drives not to crash and lose all his files. He also maintains that a CD or DVD that is used to store digital files will 'self-destruct' in 5 years, thus making back-ups obsolete unless you want to back-up your back-ups every 4 years. That's why he uses his negs as his archives. Sounded a bit over the top for my liking. Any input from within the forum on the latter?


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FotOz wrote:
This is an interesting thread, and a subject that popped up at a photographic convention I chaired on the weekend. A number of delegates - and old professional hands at that - still shoot film, having experienced the digital revolution. They didn't knock digital work, but insisted that they have better control over their exposures with film. What they did admit though was that they scan their negs at the highest resolution thay can (I think it was 1400 dpi or so) and then they 'work' them. One of them, a very accomplished photographer who has worked all over the world in the past 30 years says he doesn't trust PC hard drives not to crash and lose all his files. He also maintains that a CD or DVD that is used to store digital files will 'self-destruct' in 5 years, thus making back-ups obsolete unless you want to back-up your back-ups every 4 years. That's why he uses his negs as his archives. Sounded a bit over the top for my liking. Any input from within the forum on the latter?

But what did they say about the appearance of one over the other?

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