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Which diffusor for 430EX

 
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Sep 17, 2010 07:00 |  #1

I'm about to replace my 420EZ with and 430 EXII.
I use an ominbounce on my 420EX, but I'm looking for an better alternative.
I found the following options:

Falcon Eyes
http://www.kamera-express.nl …px?id=27963&c1=​2522&pc=29 (external link)

Viewfinder Diffusor Dome
http://www.kamera-express.nl …px?id=26235&c1=​2659&pc=83 (external link)

Lumniquest ( one of the shown items)
http://www.koopdigitaa​l.nl …quest_promax_sy​steem.html (external link)

Which one gives the best results?


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Sep 17, 2010 08:01 |  #2

Why don't you consider Lightsphere? I'm using one (cloud for warm tones) and happy with it.




  
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Sep 17, 2010 08:25 |  #3

Lumiuest ProMax or Demb Flip it


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Sep 17, 2010 09:02 as a reply to  @ CosmoKid's post |  #4

Lightsphere cloud warm , is also good option, thanks for the suggestion.
I will compare this with the Lumniquest Promax in the store.
About the Lumniquest Cosmokid,it looks a bit flimsy, what's your experience with the durabilaty?


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Sep 17, 2010 09:03 |  #5

If you use an attachment that works for you – great. I spent a lot of time and searching for the latest and greatest diffuser. Last winter I took a lighting course, read all of this person’s articles and tutorials. I also purchased his book. This year I gave all my diffusers away and now I simply enjoy flash photography. If I can’t bounce I use a bracket. I refer to that dome you are looking at as a bounce attachment as the light needs to bounce off walls, etc. The walls are the diffuser. Try playing with rotating your flash head.

If you read his stuff he has stopped using bracket if he has to shoot direct (which he detests at all cost) because of the high ISO capabilities of the modern DSLR.

http://neilvn.com …h-photography-techniques/ (external link)

His book

http://www.amazon.com …did=0297ZYD4MTY​6DZ1J4TE9& (external link)

Here is a DIY buy Chuck Gardner. He spends a lot time in the Fred Miranda Lighting Forums. This diffuser has had a lot of kudos from accomplished Strobists. I find it is more orientated for vertical use. It cost me $5 and about ½ hr to make it but these types are starting to appear in the market.

http://super.nova.org/​DPR/DIY01/ (external link)

His site. A wealth of information.

http://super.nova.org/​DPR/ (external link)

The Demb flip it gets a lots of good reviews. It controls the light quite well and does not waste as much. If I was going to use something it would be the Demb flip it.

An interesting bit of info to keep in mind.

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Sep 17, 2010 09:15 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #6

Thanks for your reply, I will study later on ( when I'm not supposed to be working ;))


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Sep 17, 2010 09:18 |  #7

The last one. The first is a reasonable softbox if you work within a few feet of the subject, much farther and its much less effective. Despite the above suggestions avoid the fong devices, they are appealing but they waste light and only work in limited circumstances. They are fine if you have a white wall and ceiling to bounce off of, but if you have those you dont need the device in the first place. The lumiquest or the DEMB flipit mentioned above give the the ability to bounce or redirect the light to the subject.




  
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Sep 17, 2010 09:55 |  #8

gonzogolf is correct. After my lighting course my friend and I did a few workshops for a local camera club. This is just basic science and physics and these diagrams are nothing new. Tons of info on this stuff out there.

In the upper illustration we have a 2' by 4' soft box and and we moved it far even back so that it is smaller than the subject. Maybe 100 feet. Now it is impossible to light the subject from that distance but this just to illustrate the physics of light. I can draw lines coming out of that soft box all day and I will not be able to eliminate the shadow behind. This would include shadows from eye glasses, nose, eyebrows, etc. Light photons run in a straight line. The only way I could do it is if I placed a black hole behind the head.

In the second illustration we moved the soft box to within 5 feet of the subject. As you can see the light source is larger than the subject and now light can get and behind and eliminate shadows.

In the third illustration we moved the box back and added a wall/ceiling for the light to bounce off.


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Sep 18, 2010 01:02 |  #9

I would recommend Rogue FlashBender Bounce Card (external link)

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Sep 18, 2010 04:08 as a reply to  @ Green Li's post |  #10

Did some reading , especially liked the link to the "Neil van Niekerk"site. Immediately subscribed to the feeds. Very insightful.Thanks again digital paradise!

At this moment I'm leaning to just buy a Omnibounce again. It's so convenient to use.
I use my flash for 90% indoors at home or family, mostly white walls and not to high ceiling
Will see how I can improve my flash photography wit the new 430EX.
I may later on decide if either the LumiquestPromaster or Rogueflashbender could be a useful addition.


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Sep 18, 2010 07:37 |  #11

digital paradise wrote in post #10926162 (external link)
If you use an attachment that works for you – great. I spent a lot of time and searching for the latest and greatest diffuser. Last winter I took a lighting course, read all of this person’s articles and tutorials. I also purchased his book. This year I gave all my diffusers away and now I simply enjoy flash photography. If I can’t bounce I use a bracket. I refer to that dome you are looking at as a bounce attachment as the light needs to bounce off walls, etc. The walls are the diffuser. Try playing with rotating your flash head.

If you read his stuff he has stopped using bracket if he has to shoot direct (which he detests at all cost) because of the high ISO capabilities of the modern DSLR.

http://neilvn.com …h-photography-techniques/ (external link)

His book

http://www.amazon.com …did=0297ZYD4MTY​6DZ1J4TE9& (external link)

Here is a DIY buy Chuck Gardner. He spends a lot time in the Fred Miranda Lighting Forums. This diffuser has had a lot of kudos from accomplished Strobists. I find it is more orientated for vertical use. It cost me $5 and about ½ hr to make it but these types are starting to appear in the market.

http://super.nova.org/​DPR/DIY01/ (external link)

His site. A wealth of information.

http://super.nova.org/​DPR/ (external link)

The Demb flip it gets a lots of good reviews. It controls the light quite well and does not waste as much. If I was going to use something it would be the Demb flip it.

An interesting bit of info to keep in mind.

http://russellspixelpi​x.blogspot.com …no-need-to-spend-big.html (external link)

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Sep 18, 2010 10:34 |  #12

CosmoKid wrote in post #10925953 (external link)
Lumiuest ProMax or Demb Flip it

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Sep 18, 2010 21:14 |  #13

CosmoKid wrote in post #10925953 (external link)
Lumiuest ProMax or Demb Flip it

^^^

SIZE MATTERS. Any so-called diffuser which relies on ceiling bounce will be useless outdoors, since no ceiling and no walls act to increase the apparent size of the source. Omnibounce and Lightsphere are fundamentally similar in the dependence upon ceiling (which has to be present, and needs to below enough and neutral color so as to not contaminate the light)


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Sep 19, 2010 00:01 |  #14

i have the lumniquest one. works great on portraits.


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Sep 19, 2010 11:22 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #15

Another vote for the Lumiquest system.


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