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Feb 25, 2011 00:51 |  #5386

I was thinking of buying another bxri 500/500 but like Kemzo said I found some one local that I have known for a while that is going to let me borrow theirs

http://www.adorama.com​/MT339567.html (external link)

what do i need to make that hold a strobe?
http://www.adorama.com​/MT339567.html (external link)
This?
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Or am I good to go?


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Feb 25, 2011 07:48 |  #5387

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Sold almost a week ago!
But I still have the BXRi 500/500 kit... If anybody is interested.

Please do your sales talk in the Market Place forum.


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Feb 25, 2011 10:05 |  #5388

sigma pi wrote in post #11910281 (external link)
I was thinking of buying another bxri 500/500 but like Kemzo said I found some one local that I have known for a while that is going to let me borrow theirs

http://www.adorama.com​/MT339567.html (external link)

what do i need to make that hold a strobe?
http://www.adorama.com​/MT339567.html (external link)
This?
http://www.filmandvide​olighting.com/mamafi38​.html (external link)


Or am I good to go?

The strobe head will mount directly on the bare end of the grip arm if you want, but can twist if you've got a heavy modifier held sideways. The alternate options would be to get a longer baby pin to mount in the grip head and put the strobe on that end, or to get a drop down pin for the bare end of the grip arm. I personally use the drop down pin on the grip arm and treat it like a short boom. Handy for use with a beauty dish.


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Feb 25, 2011 10:11 as a reply to  @ Sheldon N's post |  #5389

Almost any time I'm using a lightbox or dish on a strobe I use a drop down pin. Before I had them I didn't fully understand their use or benefits but now I can't live without them.


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Feb 25, 2011 10:16 |  #5390

Sheldon N wrote in post #11911855 (external link)
The strobe head will mount directly on the bare end of the grip arm if you want, but can twist if you've got a heavy modifier held sideways. The alternate options would be to get a longer baby pin to mount in the grip head and put the strobe on that end, or to get a drop down pin for the bare end of the grip arm. I personally use the drop down pin on the grip arm and treat it like a short boom. Handy for use with a beauty dish.

Thanks Sheldon, yes a gridded BD ;)

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Almost any time I'm using a lightbox or dish on a strobe I use a drop down pin. Before I had them I didn't fully understand their use or benefits but now I can't live without them.

Thanks as always Rob :)

Going to get one.


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Feb 25, 2011 10:45 |  #5391

TMR Design wrote in post #11911894 (external link)
Almost any time I'm using a lightbox or dish on a strobe I use a drop down pin. Before I had them I didn't fully understand their use or benefits but now I can't live without them.

Rob, is there a reason that you prefer the drop down pin to a swivel pin (F830), other than the crooked eli strobe mount issue?


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Feb 25, 2011 10:49 |  #5392

Hi, I am new to this forum and I am thinking about getting my first bigger "flash". I don't want to spend much money on it, so for start I picked elinchrom D-lite-it 4 400Ws which should be enough, but I have few questions:

1) What else do I need in case I shot automotive photo? (tripod, power supply etc.)
2) Is it ok if I use non-elinchrom accesories like softboxes etc., could these damage the flash?
3) What is the cheapest way to power flash like D-lite-it 4 in outdoor?
4) I would like to still use my 430EXII which I am triggering remotely (Canon 7D), what's the solution to trigger them both at same time?

I will be happy for any advice, cause I am truly beginner in this.


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Feb 25, 2011 10:51 as a reply to  @ Dave Jr's post |  #5393

HI Dave (Dave Jr),

The only reason is because the drop down is a cleaner, less bulky solution and I like the fact that the E700 extends the strobe further away from the arm than the F830. The added range of movement is nice on the F830 but again, for me, not necessary.

The more you look at grip gear the more you realize there are countless numbers of ways to accomplish the same thing. Many are not better, just different.


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Feb 25, 2011 10:57 |  #5394

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HI Dave (Dave Jr),

The only reason is because the drop down is a cleaner, less bulky solution and I like the fact that the E700 extends the strobe further away from the arm than the F830. The added range of movement is nice on the F830 but again, for me, not necessary.

Thanks, got it. Question, can you lock down the drop down pin at angles other than straight down and have it hold, or not really?


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Feb 25, 2011 11:03 |  #5395

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Thanks, got it. Question, can you lock down the drop down pin at angles other than straight down and have it hold, or not really?

You can tighten and loosen the joint but it's not intended as a method of locking it down.

That would really defeat the purpose of the drop down. If you need it to lock down then you do need components like the F830 or the D570.


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Feb 25, 2011 11:06 as a reply to  @ Dave Jr's post |  #5396

Be mindful of the fact that a swivel pin like the Avenger F830 or Matthews Magic Finger allow the pin a range of motion limited to plus or minus 90 degrees. An Avenger E700 drop down pin allows a considerably greater range of motion. What this means is that if your grip arm or boom is inclined above the horizontal, the swivel pin or Magic Finger will not allow the suspended light to hang vertically while the drop down pin will.

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IMAGE: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5257/5476283893_fdc1fde5bc_o.jpg

As long as the grip arm or boom is horizontal or tilted downward, the swivel pins and drop down pins will serve the same function.

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Feb 25, 2011 11:14 |  #5397

tetrode wrote in post #11912214 (external link)
Be mindful of the fact that a swivel pin like the Avenger F830 or Matthews Magic Finger allow the pin a range of motion limited to plus or minus 90 degrees. An Avenger E700 drop down pin allows a considerably greater range of motion. What this means is that if your grip arm or boom is inclined above the horizontal, the swivel pin or Magic Finger will not allow the suspended light to hang vertically while the drop down pin will.

Look:

http://farm6.static.fl​ickr.com …76283893_fdc1fd​e5bc_o.jpg (external link)

As long as the grip arm or boom is horizontal or tilted downward, the swivel pins and drop down pins will serve the same function.

Dave F.

Dave, that's the F830TH you have pictured there. I'm pretty sure that the F830 isn't limited to the +/-90 degrees range of motion like the F830TH is.


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Feb 25, 2011 11:27 |  #5398

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Dave, that's the F830TH you have pictured there. I'm pretty sure that the F830 isn't limited to the +/-90 degrees range of motion like the F830TH is.

Stickler!

IMAGE: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5291/5476943358_c16773d4d7_o.jpg

And it's the F830RH (Ratchet Handle) in my prior post ;)

EDIT:

Viewed another way, the maximum upward tilt of a boom or grip arm that would allow the F830 pin to hang vertically:

IMAGE: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5291/5476363423_eb056446b7_o.jpg

And another EDIT:

Just for the sake of completeness, same as above but with the E700 drop down pin:

IMAGE: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5020/5476993236_543c705889_o.jpg

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Feb 25, 2011 11:33 |  #5399

I love Avenger gear... they are reasonably priced and rock-solid. I just picked up a A4039CS to compliment my A4050CS. I'll never stray Avenger, never!




  
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Feb 25, 2011 11:40 |  #5400

tetrode wrote in post #11912214 (external link)
Be mindful of the fact that a swivel pin like the Avenger F830 or Matthews Magic Finger allow the pin a range of motion limited to plus or minus 90 degrees. An Avenger E700 drop down pin allows a considerably greater range of motion. What this means is that if your grip arm or boom is inclined above the horizontal, the swivel pin or Magic Finger will not allow the suspended light to hang vertically while the drop down pin will.

Look:

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As long as the grip arm or boom is horizontal or tilted downward, the swivel pins and drop down pins will serve the same function.

Dave F.

Thanks for that, Dave, good point.


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