Elinchrom users only- whatcha got? (Mark II)

TMR Design wrote in post #12694331
The white is not invisible. Placement and intensity will determine how much of a catch light is present but for every light source there is a catch light. If you took a white reflector and held it close to your subject you'd see a reflection.

Of course I do see the reflection.

The white beauty dish gives me a round catch light. With the white deflector, it's a plain filled circular reflection. With the silver deflector, the center is missing and the catch light is shaped like a donut. So the white deflector is invisible within the beauty dish's catch light, whereas the silver one can be seen as dark center spot.

Maybe I can find some images to illustrate that...

Tobi

Sorry. I did it again. I thought we were talking about reflectors... DOH!

Hi all - I recently purchased an Elinchrom Quadra To Go setup via E-Bay. I've had some issues so far. I just used my quadra with one a-head outdoors for the first time and it seemed to send me an Err2 message (over heating) awfully quickly.

It's maybe 80-degrees Fahrenheit today and was shooting in a mostly shaded location with the quadra in a snappy case sitting on concrete. Started shooting on asphalt in the sun though at power level 6.0 with a deep octa. Got about 10 photos and my first Err2 message showed up. Unplugged things, replugged them in and got a couple more photos without waiting more than 30 seconds or so.
Had to change locations to a shadier spot. Shooting on port A with a 39" deepocta at a power level of 4.0 mostly. I fired maybe 5 shots (while syncing a pocket wizard to a SB900) at 6.0 then dropped it to 4.0 when my subject was ready again (Maybe 5-mins max between sun and shade shooting). Throughout the entire shade shoot in Err2'd me 3-4 more times at which point I gave up.

For something that's supposed to used on location this seems awfully quick to heat up. What are the rest of you getting with it before an Err2?

TMR Design wrote in post #12694342
Sorry. I did it again. I thought we were talking about reflectors... DOH!

It's alright...

Here's two images that show the difference fairly well:

Cathpah wrote in post #12694285
doh! I thought we were talking about DEflectors. not reflectors. Carry on.

(gold reflectors are forever overkill)

TMR Design wrote in post #12694342
Sorry. I did it again. I thought we were talking about reflectors... DOH!

Actually it was my bad for bringing up reflectors when the question was about deflectors.

Tobi. wrote in post #12694351
It's alright...

Here's two images that show the difference fairly well:

(Sorry, I can show these images cropped only and don't have other ones at hand)

Now please guess which one was which.

Tobi

Easy stuff. First one is silver, second is white.

Robsphoto wrote in post #12694014
Question for you guys, when you use the DO or BD are you using the included filters?
I have a translucent (clear), white, gold color and silver that were included with the DO and 17" BD.
I know that the gold would probably be used during the golden hours of the day, the white would probably further soften, but the translucent and silver?

Tobi. wrote in post #12694089
Just try them, the difference is subtle yet visible. I mainly use silver and white.

Tobi

Going Baroque wrote in post #12694233
Subtle is good. I learned that after the first time I used a gold reflector during the golden hour. Waaay overkill.

zwicko wrote in post #12694241
Throw away the gold deflector (or give it to someone you don´t like)...

Now, honestly, I don´t like the golden one.
Using the white one (which actually lets light go through) will reduce the hot spot, the frosted/translucent one doesn´t do much in my opinion.
I used the silver one in the silver beauty dish. I quite liked that.

But just try them out, a few people here actually even like the golden one.

TMR Design wrote in post #12694248
That's the golden piss look.

Cathpah wrote in post #12694271
gold can be okay when shooting people with dark skin (I believe Robert shares this view)...but even then, it can be a bit strong.

TMR Design wrote in post #12694276
I find the difference between white and silver to be strikingly different. I love them both and over time I'm gravitated more towards the silver for the contrast and pop and sparkle in the eye. I still use white. Just not as often.

TMR Design wrote in post #12694279
I actually like the Sunfire or Zebra reflectors that are 50% silver, 50% gold. It's a nice blend and looks beautiful on very tan and dark skin. It can look terrible on light and pale skin and you really have to want that bronze. I find it harder to pull that out than to add some warmth in post, so these days I'm not using anything with gold in it.

Cathpah wrote in post #12694285
doh! I thought we were talking about DEflectors. not reflectors. Carry on.

(gold reflectors are forever overkill)

TMR Design wrote in post #12694290
Just in case:

I never use gold interiors or gold deflectors in my main or fill powered lights. I occasionally use a Sunfire reflector as a fill source, but most often use silver, followed by white.

Cathpah wrote in post #12694319
Duly noted. Well I won't drag you into that anymore!

Tobi. wrote in post #12694321


The main difference I see between silver and white in a white beauty dish is that the silver one can be seen in catch lights. The white one is invisible, since it let's just as much light leak through as the beauty dish reflects.

Tobi

TMR Design wrote in post #12694331
The white is not invisible. Placement and intensity will determine how much of a catch light is present but for every light source there is a catch light. If you took a white reflector and held it close to your subject you'd see a reflection.

Tobi. wrote in post #12694335
Of course I do see the reflection.

The white beauty dish gives me a round catch light. With the white deflector, it's a plain filled circular reflection. With the silver deflector, the center is missing and the catch light is shaped like a donut. So the white deflector is invisible within the beauty dish's catch light, whereas the silver one can be seen as dark center spot.

Maybe I can find some images to illustrate that...

Tobi

TMR Design wrote in post #12694342
Sorry. I did it again. I thought we were talking about reflectors... DOH!

i leave you guys alone and this thread turns into the twilight zone and Pi is not even involved

TMR Design wrote in post #12694393
Easy stuff. First one is silver, second is white.

++1

oh god, leave for holiday (limited internet access) and this is what happens?! :O

sigma pi wrote in post #12692079
+

HTTP response: NOT FOUND | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Redirected to error image by FLICKR

wtf guys?

sigma pi wrote in post #12693860
OK sent out the google+ invite

Isn't google+ just another google attempt at making facebook?

FJ LOVE wrote in post #12694532
i leave you guys alone and this thread turns into the twilight zone and Pi is not even involved

Indeed, last few pages seem to be so random.

I like the white most.

I did decide to invert it though, with the bulge towards the flashtube, i had comparison pictures and it gave me the most even coverage in the octa without a deadspot.

Csae wrote in post #12694641
I like the white most.

I did decide to invert it though, with the bulge towards the flashtube, i had comparison pictures and it gave me the most even coverage in the octa without a deadspot.

AHA!

https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=10102628&p​ostcount=1

My point exactly!

Dave F.

I've always used mine with the curve towards the flash tube, seemed more logical. Didn't realise (as I've never owned one) that most beauty dishes are the opposite.

Interesting, I'll have to try the white deflector inverted on the Kacey dish.

Heh, great minds think alike? It just seemed natural for soo many of us.

The rest of you... well theres always next time!

Ah but i kid, and also those shots make me question my ebay BD... Is there clearer shots with a better view of the falloff on a wall ? so i can compare and possibly tweak mine ? I've always been annoyed by my BD but i can't really put my finger on Why.

Going Baroque wrote in post #12694233
Subtle is good. I learned that after the first time I used a gold reflector during the golden hour. Waaay overkill.

the plastic dish thing for a strobe?

Sylvester XxX wrote in post #12694267
I would like to have one of those

Sylvester@takethispict​ure dot com

Or

Slyxuk at gmail.com

Yeah got to wait til invite system is up and running. They plugged all the holes right now.

FJ LOVE wrote in post #12694532
i leave you guys alone and this thread turns into the twilight zone and Pi is not even involved

Now I am

kokakaste2 wrote in post #12694596
oh god, leave for holiday (limited internet access) and this is what happens?! :O

wtf guys?

Isn't google+ just another google attempt at making facebook?

Indeed, last few pages seem to be so random.

yes
yes
yes but it is a bit more organized

Csae wrote in post #12694641
I like the white most.

I did decide to invert it though, with the bulge towards the flashtube, i had comparison pictures and it gave me the most even coverage in the octa without a deadspot.

that is what i did since day 1

TwoShoes wrote in post #12695032
I've always used mine with the curve towards the flash tube, seemed more logical. Didn't realise (as I've never owned one) that most beauty dishes are the opposite.

agreed seemed logical

Csae wrote in post #12695076
Heh, great minds think alike? It just seemed natural for soo many of us.

so we all have the bulge towards the tube?