canon 5d mark 3!?

Rob,

I agree regarding the mass market bodies, which is where any manufacturer needs to concentrate. I was thinking of the top end, high status, high quality (and low profit?). Thats where Canon must pay urgent attention because while 99.999% of the market would never buy one, its seen as aspirational.

Think MotoGP, Yamaha do good business selling road legal bikes to the general public worldwide and sales increase if Valentino Rossi wins on his multimillion pound special . It's a well proven phenomena and businesses round the world use it to manipulate us into parting with our money, be it cameras, motorbikes, washing machines, fashion............

We don't know anything about the 1Ds4's strategy or release date. If it gets released anytime before the end of this year, it will be "on time" compared to previous releases. But we don't know what kind of dates Canon put on its release three years ago, two years ago, or even last year. It may or may not be "on time" by whatever schedule they put the project on. We don't have any real information on that to make any such statements as "obviously didn't come out as expected."

Nor, for that matter, is there any evidence to expect the 5D sensor to be "based" on the 1Ds4 sensor. The 5D sensor was not "based" on the 1Ds2 sensor and the 5D2 sensor is not "based" on the 1Ds3 sensor.

We don't know anything about any of that and we have no evidence on which to say "obviously" about anything.

RobDickinson wrote in post #11025891
Canon are selling stacks of 5D2's , Nikon whilst having some advantages with the D700 cant compete on resolution, and to get more resolution you have to spend a fortune & step up to the D3x.

As for the 1DsIII its still comptative enough vs D3x and nikon have supply issues with D3x and D3s.

I know we would like tons of updates but canon is a business , and if things are selling then they wont spend to update. They've shown they have a ton of kit in the labs.

Same situation with the 100-400L, yes we all know its old and needs an upate (IS especialy) but it sells...

The reason Canon is selling tons of 5d2s and 7ds is because they are not waiting for Nikon to make a big move and become the industry leader, they are taking the initiative and therefore do not need to play catch-up. Development of a new camera takes long enough that making a body that is just a small step above the competition doesn't work. I am sure when Canon started development on the 5d3 (probably around the time the 5d2 came out) they were not looking at what Nikon has and were focusing on building something that will entice 5d2 users to upgrade.

Personally I am quite interested in what kind of camera the next 5D will be. Many folks are hoping for 5D with great AF and high fps like the 7D but I think that might be too much to hope for, and that canon will keep the 5D as the fullframe body, 7D as the action body and somthing else as the fast-fullframe body. Whether that will be the 1Ds Mark 4 or some kind of 3D or 4D.

Canon seem to be into making everything fit in the model lineup, rather than a new camera totally superceeding an older one (other than mark 1 / mark 2 models). Though of course I'd love to see an affordable 5D mark 3 with fast AF and fps.

Additionally I'd like a full frame camera that has a 'crop mode' which would have better fps due to the reduced bandwidth required.

Crop mode isnt going to happen especialy as you cant use ef-s lenses.

You can always use sRaw or mRaw tho.

RDKirk wrote in post #11026297
We don't know anything about the 1Ds4's strategy or release date. If it gets released anytime before the end of this year, it will be "on time" compared to previous releases. But we don't know what kind of dates Canon put on its release three years ago, two years ago, or even last year. It may or may not be "on time" by whatever schedule they put the project on. We don't have any real information on that to make any such statements as "obviously didn't come out as expected."

Nor, for that matter, is there any evidence to expect the 5D sensor to be "based" on the 1Ds4 sensor. The 5D sensor was not "based" on the 1Ds2 sensor and the 5D2 sensor is not "based" on the 1Ds3 sensor.

We don't know anything about any of that and we have no evidence on which to say "obviously" about anything.

gee who shoved a stick up your a$$.... the post was my observations on the way things are IN MY F**KING OPINION.... no need to berate me for using the word "obviously" "mr. im another technically correct person".

no body knows anything.... thats the whole point.... its just pure speculation.... everyone just throughs in there 2 cents.... thats the whole point of these threads..... so ill be damned for putting my 2 cents in and using the word "obviously".

back to scheduled programming now.... and ill go back to enjoying my sunday evening heineken.

JayStar86 wrote in post #11015229
... I think the most solid indicator that a 5D3 is coming soon will be when Nikon updates there D700.... Canon 5D3 will follow soon after.

Based on simple assumption though.... if the 5Dc had a product life cycle of 3 years... . I would expect the 5D2 to have a 4 year product life cycle.... putting the 5D3 release somewhere in late 2012.
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Valid thoughts indeed.
Besides ... everyone knows the world ends Dec 2012.
For those not in the microelectronics {semiconductor} industry ...
You may not know but the Big C is R&D'ing a new "Foveon" style.
It might be 2 pixel color instead of 4 pixel Bayer or 1 pixel "existing Foveon" and have pixel scan technology.
So is Kodak with a fab line from National Semiconductor
- which they bought a few years ago.
Canon will prob call it something other than improved Foveon {ie. Fusion} and put in mirror-less 3D platform.
The US govt has had their own "secret" version for years and is well ahead of the consumer sensor manufacturing.
Its really just the same path as 20th century 3 neg color to tripak updated for 21st century.

I just wait for the improved 5DMIII or new 3D so I can convert my 5DC to IR.

Ah this is only a stopover until canon can fold spacetime to make larger sensors and huge f0.001 lenses pocket size.

RobDickinson wrote in post #11026555
Crop mode isnt going to happen especialy as you cant use ef-s lenses.

You can always use sRaw or mRaw tho.

It has nothing to do with lenses, and s/mRAW do not improve fps. I'm talking about a mode that only captures the middle of the frame - requiring less bandwidth.

EL_PIC wrote in post #11027927
Valid thoughts indeed.
Besides ... everyone knows the world ends Dec 2012.

some of us will be going down with a new MK3 in hand

"Besides ... everyone knows the world ends Dec 2012".

Is that the same everybody that believed we would be reading reviews of the 1Ds mk4 by Christmas? I admit I was part of that august body! Notice how quiet we have gone just recently. The penny dropped that Canon really are abandoning it if favour of a massive rethink.

My question is, just how large a sensor and how much resolution can Canon cram onto said sensor while still fitting within the circle of light produced by EF lenses? Can they create a dependable AF system for video that works like their camcorders? Have they developed a sensor cooling technology that will allow super long exposures with no noise?

JeffreyG wrote in post #11010090
This actually started with the first 1D. Since there is no 'Mark I" designator, people could become confused by a statement "I have a 1D" as one might simply not be bothering to designate 'Mark II' or 'Mark IIn'.

So people started calling the 1D the 'classic'. The same logic has applied to the 5D. It is not necessarily a value judgement.

This gets on my nerves....I hate when people make up names for cameras! I've seen 1D Mark I, 1D C......a guy from arizona selling a 400D...what the hell is that???

There is no 5Dc or 1Dc...call it what it is!!

ShotByTom wrote in post #11032793
This gets on my nerves....I hate when people make up names for cameras! I've seen 1D Mark I, 1D C......a guy from arizona selling a 400D...what the hell is that???

There is no 5Dc or 1Dc...call it what it is!!

Feel free to take a minute to unbunch your panties. BTW, the XXXD bodies are rebels, or Kisses in Japan. In the rest of the world they go by the numeric designation so using it is not incorrect nor is it something that was made up. As far as referring to a camera as a 1DmI, I bet you'd be one of the first to e-mail the guy and ask him what iteration of 1D he's selling. Using a commonly understood designation is simply a means of providing maximum clarification.

To compete with Pentax, the 5D3 will be the first of many digital cameras from Canon to be themed...Starting July 2011, you may choose from the "Care Bears Edition", the "Pokemon Edition" or the "Hello Kitty Edition"...a limited run of the "Dragonball Z Edition" will be available in time for Christmas of 2011.