-=Official=- EOS 5D Announcement Part II

That's only because they need to find reasons to not want it... ...to ease the feelings of really badly wanting to own it...

Jesper wrote:
That's only because they need to find reasons to not want it... ...to ease the feelings of really badly wanting to own it...

Yeah, but then the 30D will come out soon, and they'll be spending anyway.

Originally Posted by Brianbar
As nice as the 5D appears, I really don't see it being a replacement for the 20D.
Apart from the much higher price, it's a full frame, doesn't accept EF-S lens, no pop-up flash, and it comes without a lens plus several more features.
It would be a nice upgrade from my 10D but far to expensive.

Brian

It's not a replacement. There'll probably be a 30D that replaces the 20D.

The 5D is your less expensive alternative to the 1Ds MK1/MKII. No professional would really use the popup flash. If you look at any of the 1 series cameras, they don't have it. This camera is the same. Look at the dial. The prosummer features aren't on there like portrait mode or sports mode for instance.

Efs lens were made for the digital crop factor. Full frame doesn't have that, so there's no need for a 10-20 when say a 16-35mm or 17-40mm will be very wide. 10-20 acts as a 16 on a 20D, 300D, 350D.

And why would you want it to come with a lens. Those kit lens are lousy. If you already have a collection of lens, you especially don't need a kit lens. Even with the 20D, if I were to upgrade, i'd buy it without the lens.

Not sure what other features you speak of that it lacks though. This camera is not for the everyday user and its not priced accordingly for the everyday user.

For the everyday DSLR user the target cameras are the 300/350D and 10D/20D for that consummer level.



Grego,
That's exactly my point, over the past few weeks members where predicting what the replacement for 20D would be, and lets be honest the 5D was the buzz word.

Brian

5D White Paper - on dpreview.
http://www.robgalbrait​h.com …on_EOS_5D_White​_Paper.pdf

Definately worth a read. Lots of good info. More in depth than the mini reviews I've seen.
Things I found interesting that I hadn't heard before- the 2 lateral most focus points are closer in to the middle than on the 20D... in the same position the lateral points are on the 1 series cameras. The new invisible 6 AF points are for AI servo, and are not used in one shot mode. Are active for automatic AF point selection, or enabled via custom function for an expanded central point.

It keeps looking better to me. Saw a LOT of pictures on dpreview yesterday that were very impressive for low noise.

Can anyone explain (or better yet, show) what the 3 differant focus screens are? from what it looks like on the white sheet, its the normal one with the Focus points, a Grid Style (aid in composition?) and a 3rd screen, is this more like the split prisim screen, or ?

-Johnny

I just wanted to point out that these "modes" (sports, portrait, etc.) are included in the 5D, just not on the mode dial. They moved them to Parameters in the menu system. Not exactly the same, I guess, because parameters don't control shutter speed or aperture ... just sharpness, saturation, etc. Definitely a more logical approach for pros and prosumers who are (presumably) proficient with regard to choosing shutter and aperture settings, and don't want the camera taking control of things.

So in other words, you said these "modes" are included, then you said they are not. Almost like saying "Please disregard the following..."


Not only

but two different beast entirely. Kind of like my faded 1984 Toyota Camry is "not exactly the same" as a 500 square foot pallet of Hybrid Bermuda Turf. Yes, they are both "Things" but one is a car the other is sod. Other than that, they are nearly identical.

The 5d has removed the dummy modes because it (rightly) assumes photographers interested in this camera already know how to take a photograph - that they are not mystified by the effects of aperture and shutter speed. A complete world of difference from being able to control the post-capture in camera processing. The sharpness/saturation parameters give the photographer greater control, rather than the "modes" taking it away.

No, this is not some plastic beginners toy, this is as sophisticated as a machine as Canon has come up with.

Rad

Heh, oh well, people jump to quick conclusions very quickly. That's how rumors get started.

I'm sure when talk of the 30D comes out, some people will assume its 18mp with 10 fps.

It's a nice camera, but I'm sure it's not a replacement for neither 20D nor Mark2, but rather a replacement for Nikon (DX2 if I remebmer correctly )

gerolamo wrote:
It's a nice camera, but I'm sure it's not a replacement for neither 20D nor Mark2, but rather a replacement for Nikon (DX2 if I remebmer correctly )

Well it depends how you view the D2X. The D2X is 1.5 crop factor, even though it has the ability to go high resolution.

Then it can also turn into a speed demon at around 6 MP which would pit it against the 1DMKII.

grego wrote:
Well it depends how you view the D2X. The D2X is 1.5 crop factor, even though it has the ability to go high resolution.

Then it can also turn into a speed demon at around 6 MP which would pit it against the 1DMKII.

Still, 5D is very close to DX2, even if it's not better in all aspects. Someone at Canon is snickering evilly now

Wow, you sure put me in my place.

I wasn't even trying to make an argument, I was simply pointing out an interesting (to me, at least) feature of the 5D. I think I pretty clearly agreed with your ultimate point ... that Canon determined the camera would be in capable hands and didn't need modes that took over shutter and aperture. Sorry for the (apparently) poor choice of words.

gerolamo wrote:
Still, 5D is very close to DX2, even if it's not better in all aspects. Someone at Canon is snickering evilly now

Yeah, the D2X might be more versatile, but it doesn't specialize as well.

I agree that most of the sample pics look blown out at the highlights, whether that's indicative of the dynamic range or hurried post processing I don't know