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M31/T1i/50mm/f1.4/via DSS (thx atomsmurf)

 
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Oct 06, 2010 03:10 |  #1

Thx atomsmurf, your M31 capturemotivated me to try with almost same set-up as you, I used T1i/Canon 50mm 1.4 prime.

My method: Manual focus on Jupiter (got as small/defined circle as possible), found M31, used ISO800, 4 sec exp, f1/4 (wide open!).
133 light frames, 31 dark frames, 20 bias frames:

1 light frame with exif data for reference straight from camera:

IMAGE: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TKwrLDZJUlI/AAAAAAAAK9E/CifwvzDY4JM/_MG_4351.jpg

A few hour later, DSS churned its magic:
(again 133 light frames, just under 9 minutes total exposure time)
IMAGE: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TKwqU8YVkAI/AAAAAAAAK84/4OXUX8GvEA8/M31%2010-5-10%20v2.jpg

Crop of M31:
IMAGE: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TKwqVNVkfWI/AAAAAAAAK88/u4KmSNkS9i8/M31%2010-5-10%20v2%20-%20Version%202.jpg

This is straight outta DSS - I applied 15% color saturation there to bring some color back, imported into Apple Aperture 3, no PP except slight edge sharpen.

While crop not as crisp as atomsmurf's (his T2i sensor diff?), this has me excited for how much detail I can see.

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Oct 06, 2010 03:20 |  #2

Whats your local light pollution like?

I wish i could see M31 from New Zealand I would try the same shot. I could but i would need a clear view low to the north.


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Oct 06, 2010 03:24 as a reply to  @ megrac's post |  #3

I'm about 35 miles from Detroit, on edge of the suburbs, light pollution is there but I can still faintly see the Milky way and M31 with naked eye, barely.
These clear/crisp/cool nights are perfect.


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Oct 06, 2010 08:07 |  #4

Whats causes the haloes around all your stars ? I noticed this on astrosmurfs images also . If you can get rid of the haloes then you might be able to see how much true data you have . Haloes do make objects project bigger than they really are even when stacking many images .




  
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Oct 06, 2010 12:57 |  #5

Its does the same thing if i go out and use my 50mm f/1.4. I would think its an over overexposure of the brightes stars.


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Oct 06, 2010 14:04 |  #6

Celestron wrote in post #11044319 (external link)
Whats causes the haloes around all your stars ? I noticed this on astrosmurfs images also . If you can get rid of the haloes then you might be able to see how much true data you have . Haloes do make objects project bigger than they really are even when stacking many images .

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Its does the same thing if i go out and use my 50mm f/1.4. I would think its an over overexposure of the brightes stars.

I tend to agree slight overexposure seems the cause.
If I'm not too sleepy tonight I'll re-shoot, using same settings but at 3 sec exposure instead of 4 sec exposure, that will be 25% less. I'll take more images to keep total exposure time around 9 minutes. This should also give more crisp image for crop as well, less drift.


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Oct 06, 2010 16:34 |  #7

mtbdudex wrote in post #11046450 (external link)
I tend to agree slight overexposure seems the cause.
If I'm not too sleepy tonight I'll re-shoot, using same settings but at 3 sec exposure instead of 4 sec exposure, that will be 25% less. I'll take more images to keep total exposure time around 9 minutes. This should also give more crisp image for crop as well, less drift.

True it will on the drift for sure . I look forward to seeing the difference between the first original image and the new one .




  
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Oct 10, 2010 15:37 |  #8

Celestron wrote in post #11047333 (external link)
True it will on the drift for sure . I look forward to seeing the difference between the first original image and the new one .

I wanted to re-take M31 with less exposure time to solve the halo issue, 10/5 was 4 sec, my choices were 3.2 or 2.5 sec on the T1i, I choose 2.5 sec

New images taken Oct 7th 4:30am-ish
Single un-processed image with EXIF data

IMAGE: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TLIig7xH63I/AAAAAAAALAI/jpH2OoqjPf4/_MG_4562.jpg


Here are 367 light frames 2.5 sec exposure each (15min 57sec total exposure), ISO800, 50mm prime @ f1.4; + 54 dark frames + 30 Bias frames. DSS processed, output into Apple Aperture 3.
Compared to 10/5 images appears slightly crisper and not overexposed.
IMAGE: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TLIfXvRTFcI/AAAAAAAAK_c/0S9rZWtEFD8/M31%2010-7-10%20v3.jpg

Crop of M31 is kinda cool, can I barely make out actual arm swirls?
IMAGE: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TLIfYMyUa5I/AAAAAAAAK_g/0KNvWMZmP6Q/M31%2010-7-10%20v3%20-%20Version%202.jpg

Is this a "bonus" galaxy? It's a crop of top LH 1/3 of main photo, what DSO is this?
IMAGE: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TLIfYtTY5LI/AAAAAAAAK_k/Z0yZ-JledqU/M31%2010-7-10%20v3%20-%20Version%203.jpg

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Oct 10, 2010 18:48 |  #9

M33 pinwheel galaxy.
You're doing real well with this technique.


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Oct 10, 2010 19:12 |  #10

This is pretty amazing. I don't think I've ever seen anyone attempt galaxies with a 50mm lens and I didn't expect to see these kind of results. Really great work. Seeing spiral arms on M33 is surprising to say the least. Cool.


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Oct 11, 2010 15:57 |  #11

SteveInNZ wrote in post #11070679 (external link)
M33 pinwheel galaxy.
You're doing real well with this technique.

Nighthound wrote in post #11070814 (external link)
This is pretty amazing. I don't think I've ever seen anyone attempt galaxies with a 50mm lens and I didn't expect to see these kind of results. Really great work. Seeing spiral arms on M33 is surprising to say the least. Cool.

Thx, I'm getting as much mileage from equipment I own, and learning imaging techniques and simply the sky itself.
I find that as many books/magazines I read, unless I really make an effort to capture some portion of the sky I just plain don't learn/remember it.

I will be getting either the recently announced 70-300 L or 100-400L, my next attempt for M31/M33 will be at the widest aperture on those lens widest zoom (70mm+f4 or 100mm + f4.5) and short time (2.5 sec) with many exposure again. I've negotiated 1 lens in 2011 with the wife (tax rebate), those 2 are on my short list.

I might try M31 with the 15-85 at 85/f5.6 one more time, but for short exposure that is really limiting the image, but again I can just take many exposures. The 50mm prime seemed to give such a better image than my last attempt at M31 with the 15-85 @ 85mm, maybe I was just slightly off focus?

A 'scope is not really in the budget until 2012, still I'll challenge myself to use my equipment and keep learning the sky, lot of neat stuff above.


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