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Aug 27, 2005 05:41 |  #1

When taking macro shots using the 350D, in the creative modes, do you have to have a Macro Lens? I seem to run into focus problems in the creative mode (using the kit lens efs 18-55) on some shots. If I use the manual focus, the image looks ok through the view finder, but on the LCD and when I get home the image isn't sharp and focused.
I end up having to use the Macro setting in the basic mode. Unfortunately, I prefer to have raw images so I can work on them later.
Is there a trick using this lens in the creative mode, or do I have to get a macro lens?

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Aug 27, 2005 09:54 |  #2

Trying to do closeup photography without a macro lens is not easy. The subject is so small that it's difficult to manually focus, and it's hard to give the camera something to focus on using AF. Are you using a tripod? Having a really steady camera either because it's on a tripod, braced against something or you have the steady hands of a surgen will help. Is your vision perfect? If not adjust the viewfinder diopter to help you see through the camera better. Anything that makes the subject appear larger in the viewfinder will also help with both manual and AF because you can better see what you are trying to bring into focus. I believe the true macro lenses, TC's, and close up diopters will all do that. Manual focus is difficult because you have to move the focus from blurry past focused and back to blurry and then try to predict what was halfway in the middle since these cameras don't have a split circle focus screen like some older cameras. The split circle took the guess work out of manual focusing.

I've tried my hand at close up work with the nifty 50 and the kit lens on my 350. Your best bet with one of those lenses is to take 20 pics of the subject and then assume that you'll end up with a couple that are really clear if you are hand holding.

I'm no expert, I'm sure they'll be along any minute now.


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Aug 27, 2005 20:15 |  #3

Try this: SETUP: put the camera in Av mode. pick your fav settings. Set focus to one-shot mode, and set just the center focus point. If the 350 allows custom-function 4 to put focusing on the * button do it. Put the lens in manual focus mode, and turn the dial to the nearest possible focus.

SHOOT: Either press the * button to activate focus or half-press the shutter. Move the camera back and forth. When the camera detects focus, the red focus light will flash in the viewfinder. CLICK.

This method works pretty well with even more demanding setups.

Other hints: many out-of-focus problems with macros are caused by movement and narrow DOF rather than by focus errors. Try a tripod with a mount that allows you to slide the camera back-and-forth (like ARCA plates or a focus rail). The tripod allows you to lock the camera-subject distance when you achieve focus as well has holding the cam steady during the shot. Also, flash helps, but you'll need to mount your flash in a way that it actually shines on the close subject rather than on the top of the lens.

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Aug 28, 2005 21:17 |  #4

Crypto wrote:
When taking macro shots using the 350D, in the creative modes, do you have to have a Macro Lens? I seem to run into focus problems in the creative mode (using the kit lens efs 18-55) on some shots. If I use the manual focus, the image looks ok through the view finder, but on the LCD and when I get home the image isn't sharp and focused.
I end up having to use the Macro setting in the basic mode. Unfortunately, I prefer to have raw images so I can work on them later.
Is there a trick using this lens in the creative mode, or do I have to get a macro lens?

thanks

The use of the creative modes should have nothing to do with the problem. In fact, for the reason I will shortly mention, the creative modes are the way to go.

I think your problem probably comes from two sources: (1) The focusing screen on the 350D is just not all that good for judging fine focus in my opinion. It can be done but you have to be very careful. Unfortunately, that is where the higher price bodies do better and (2) you are using a lens that is not very good for macro photography.

True macro lenses are designed to work well in closeup situations. Zoom lenses, even if they have a "macro mode" are at a distinctive disadvantage in closeup situations. And, unfortunately, the kit lens is not the highest quality to begin with.

While you do not "need" a macro lens to take closeups a macro lens is certainly highly recommended for best results.

You also may be trying to take closeups at distances closer than your lens will focus. Because of the limitations of the viewfinder of the 350 that may not be readily apparent untill you view the resulting shots on the computer monitor.

And closeups mean very little depth of field. So a slight change in camera to subject distance during shooting can very quickly make a possible sharp shot fuzzy. Handholding is particularly difficult because of that. And handholding also introduces the possibility of subject movement or camera shake. Higher shutter speeds can help with that.

Some suggestions: Use aperture priority in the creative mode and set the aperature at a small enough F stop to at least provide some depth of field . . say F:11 or so. Then use a fast enough ISO setting to allow a decent shutter speed . . 1/125 or 1/250 if possible.
Try to use the camera on a tripod if at all possible. That will take practice but good closeup technique requires practice. Be sure the camera back is parallel to the subject plane. So if the subject is a butterfly clinging to a vertical plant stalk, you will want to position the camera so its back is parallel to the stalk. If you don't do that portions of the subject will likely be out of focus because they are beyond the limited depth of field. Depth of field in many closeup situations is only an inch or two so you can see how tricky it can be.

Another suggestion is to try not focusing with the lens but rather, setting the lens for its closest focusing distance and then moving the camera toward and away from the subject until it appears sharp in the viewfinder. At closeup distances, the lens focusing scale has little relative effect. Camera to subject distance changes are much more obvious. You can and should practice this technique often using some object at home until you begin to see consistent results.

And finally, set the lens for manual focus. Do not rely on autofocus for closeups. If you do try to use autofocus, at least set the camera to use only the center focusing spot and be sure it is dead on the subject of interest. Even then, I do not trust the autofocus to work consistently in the closeup range, either because of accuracy limitations or operator error (such as the focus spot slipping off the subject, etc.) I think manual focus is likely to give you a higher percentage of good shots.

Don't be discouraged by initial results. Good closeup technique is most important and you can practice and learn that with your present lens. Then, if closeups become an important part of your phoitography, a macro lens will become a worthwhile investment.

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Aug 29, 2005 07:30 as a reply to  @ BDM's post |  #5

wonderful advice! thanks to all!


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