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Oct 19, 2010 18:01 |  #1

I had recently met a publicist for a magazine while shooting a fitness show. He asked me to participate in an upcoming model shoot. "Wow!" I think to myself - a chance to broaden my portfolio. Fast forward a few weeks to today.

The prime shooter has a studio in his house and this is the hilarious part. He sends out an email describing his setup and how it is only designed for his gear and only one shooter can work at a time. Did I mention that he practically listed his entire inventory of strobes, etc.?

Am I the only one who still believes that "it's not the guitar - it's the player"? Don't get me wrong, this guy is probably a very good photographer but honestly it might be more ego talking here. I may not be as good a photographer and perhaps luck and karma has something to do with some "great" shots (with a little PP thrown in), but at the end of the day, it's your work that speaks for you - not you.

Sorry had to vent. Not sure if I will want to participate on that day.


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Oct 19, 2010 18:18 |  #2

sounds like he's worried that they're going to replace him. Why else would they invite a new photographer to someone else's shoot? To demo them and see if they can do better/cheaper/faster/​etc.


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Oct 19, 2010 19:25 |  #3

Playing devils advocate here - could it perhaps be something more along the lines of the prime shooter being (freudian analysis aside) concerned about the size of his studio? If he is going to lengths to list all of his stuff and seems egotistical maybe he feels his setup might not meet with your approval... I know if someone tried to bring another shooter to my place I would start feeling gear-inadequacy-syndrome kicking in. Particularly if they had a gear list like yours!  :p

Alternatively maybe he is a tool.


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Oct 19, 2010 20:17 |  #4

Ook wrote in post #11128248 (external link)
Playing devils advocate here - could it perhaps be something more along the lines of the prime shooter being (freudian analysis aside) concerned about the size of his studio? If he is going to lengths to list all of his stuff and seems egotistical maybe he feels his setup might not meet with your approval... I know if someone tried to bring another shooter to my place I would start feeling gear-inadequacy-syndrome kicking in. Particularly if they had a gear list like yours!  :p

Alternatively maybe he is a tool.

I'm going with the "tool" theory. My gear is great and I am still learning to master it. I have learned a long time ago to put my ego aside especially if I can learn from someone. I think "he's just marking his territory" :)


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Oct 19, 2010 20:33 |  #5

I think the guy is just being a little too egotistical. The gear doesn't make a photographer, it's the know how and skill that makes a photographer good (or bad).

Your gear list is certainly nice, and most people would sure like to be in your shoes, but nah, I don't think a real professional would be intimidated by your gear. He's probably just preening for his adoring public. :P


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Oct 19, 2010 20:58 |  #6

While it does sound like there is some ego involved, studio strobes are generally triggered by a single radio remote which means it can only operate on one camera at a time.

The publicist's invitation might be genuine, but it doesnt show a solid understanding of how model shoots work. Clients often want model shoots to be fun partylike events with a big crowd, but that it clearly a distraction to getting the best picures on schedule. I would never permit a client to bring a second photographer unless their only duty was to assist.

First, delivering the best results means that someone has to be responsible for the final images and organize the whole shoot-usually the photographer. If you are not bringing a completely seperate studio light setup and have to switch with the primary photographer-you will certainly be a distraction to the primary goals. Plus, if you have little experience with studio strobes, its very unlikely that you will be able to contribute good final images by using unfamiliar equipment.

This may sound and even be an ego moment for the other photographer, but there are many good reasons not to have distractions at model shoots.

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Oct 19, 2010 21:45 |  #7

sspellman wrote in post #11128780 (external link)
While it does sound like there is some ego involved, studio strobes are generally triggered by a single radio remote which means it can only operate on one camera at a time.

The publicist's invitation might be genuine, but it doesnt show a solid understanding of how model shoots work. Clients often want model shoots to be fun partylike events with a big crowd, but that it clearly a distraction to getting the best picures on schedule. I would never permit a client to bring a second photographer unless their only duty was to assist.

First, delivering the best results means that someone has to be responsible for the final images and organize the whole shoot-usually the photographer. If you are not bringing a completely separate studio light setup and have to switch with the primary photographer-you will certainly be a distraction to the primary goals. Plus, if you have little experience with studio strobes, its very unlikely that you will be able to contribute good final images by using unfamiliar equipment.

This may sound and even be an ego moment for the other photographer, but there are many good reasons not to have distractions at model shoots.

Good Luck-
Scott

Scott you are a wise person. Then it must be the organizer's responsibility to provide the "adult supervision" to this project. As I said, the prime shooter is most likely quite good. His presentation lacked "panache" and the publicist is still indecisive about the venue. I'll see how this plays out and update the group. Thank you for your great insight. It was a perspective which I lacked.


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Oct 20, 2010 08:27 |  #8

UPDATE:
Reasoning has prevailed via the publicist. The venue will not be the studio but outdoors. He also emphasized that he wanted a different perspective than just one. I certainly appreciated his (publicist) clarification on this. I am sure it will all work out quite nicely now.


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Oct 20, 2010 09:20 |  #9

sspellman wrote in post #11128780 (external link)
While it does sound like there is some ego involved, studio strobes are generally triggered by a single radio remote which means it can only operate on one camera at a time.

Unless you have multiple transmitters on multiple cameras. Obviously the transmitters need to be the same (and set to the same channel)

I have Cactus triggers and I have two transmitters that I can stick on both my bodies and they both will trip the lights fine.




  
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